Ship: R/Hr and violence (Re: The books are not about rape.)

[quigonginger]

No: HPFGUIDX 137034

Casmir:
>  It's also a reminder of Ron's dependance 
> > on Hermione to save his arse, as I doubt he knew how to get rid 
of 
> > the birds himself. I mean really, is it so violent to do that if 
a 
> > capable wizard is able to vanish the birds immediately?  oh, 
> > yeah...Ron depends on Hermione to do that stuff for him.

Phoenixgod2000:
> Thats an unfair attack against Ron.  She attacked him with 
magically 
> conjured constructs, something we haven't seen any other wizard do. 
> It certainly seems like upper level magic to me, and it wouldn't be 
> the first time Hermione went beyond her year when it came to 
> experimenting with spells. Just because Ron couldn't dispel the 
> birds doesn't mean he is incompetent. They could just be hard to 
get 
> rid of.

Ginger:
Just a bit of a quibble and a point that I don't think has been made:

Hermione did attack Ron with conjured constructs, but they were part 
of the Transfiguration assignment.  So, since they were 6th years, it 
was, indeed, upper level, but not beyond her year (see ch. 14, US p. 
284 for details).

Hermione was practicing alone in the room when Harry came in.  Sure 
she's mad at Ron, but he's been treating her badly for pretty much 
all of chapter 14 (from which all these quotes are taken).  He's 
described as "cold-shouldering Ginny and Dean, ... also treating a 
hurt and bewildered Hermione with an icy, sneering indifference."  He 
was "as touchy and ready to lash out as the average Blast-ended 
Skrewt." To the team, he was "aggressive", and he had Demelza in 
tears.  He was "surly and grumpy with Hermione."

Earlier on the day of the attack, Hermione didn't even come down to 
breakfast with them as she "had become so tired of Ron's recent 
unpleasant behaviour".  Later she tells Harry "I'm *sick* of Ron at 
the moment, I don't know what I'm supposed to have done..." (emphasis 
from the text).  

Harry knows what Ron is mad about.  He has just realized that 
Hermione probably kissed Viktor in GoF.  He's jealous and has been 
taking it out on her for several days.  

That much is canon.  I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that 
Hermione and Ginny had a chat and that Hermione knows that Ron is 
jealous because she snogged Viktor.  But then he goes and snogs 
Lavender in front of the whole room.  

Before I go on sounding like I'm against Ron here, I must confess 
that I was one of those annoying homely girls who tut-tutted when the 
other girls were doing tonsil exams with their boyfriends, only to be 
just as showy as they when I did have a boyfriend.  Ron's behaviour 
was, as Ginny said, hypocritical, but I do feel sympathy for 
Ron "sweet 16 and never been kissed" Weasley.  

I don't blame him for wanting to show off Lavender's attraction to 
him, but I do blame him for being so mean to Hermione when she hadn't 
done anything to deserve it.  

Nor do I think it was right of Hermione to attack him with birds.  
Had she performed a "birdie-pie" charm that caused them to poo on his 
head, I wouldn't have blamed her.  At least Harry would have known 
the "Evanesco" charm to clean it up.

So, yeah, she was hurt.  I'd say she had a right to be.  At least she 
didn't accio any body parts he may have been planning to use later.  

Ginger, thinking accio lips. Tsk-tsk, what were you thinking?