Last Judgement Love - Was (Re: No AKs )

[M.Clifford]

No: HPFGUIDX 137121


> Saraquel:
> <snipping>
> > Harry somehow lures Voldemort into the Room of Love, not that 
> > difficult if he has all Voldemorts Horcruxes in his hands as bait. 
> > The Room of Love is like a gigantic mirror in which one sees 
> > everything about oneself  illuminated in the light of what is 
> > Right – with a very big capital R.  At that point there is
> > blinding self-realisation, which brings about internal agonies
> > which the cruciatus curse can only hint at.  (Anyone who has gone 
> > through an "Oh my god how wrong I was about that one" moment, will
> > be quite well aware of just how painful self-realisation can be – 
> > which gives you a hint that I've been there :-)  ) One sees
> > oneself measured against perfection, and motives count.  Hence it
> > will not be an easy ride for Harry either.  All this crucio stuff
> > against his enemies will come back to haunt him at this point, and
> > he too will have to go through the mill and out the other side.
> >  But his pure untarnished soul should get him through it. However,
> > for Voldemort and his evil Horcrux bits, there will be literally,
> > hell to pay.  Quite whether this will kill Volemort or just leave
> > him crumpled and vanquished, or what I don't know. 

Valky:
IMO this theory is really strong Saraquel, because I agree that we
should look outside the box of Lovey dovey Mushy sweet things about
Love when looking for this final Love that will defeat Voldemort.
Throughout the series we have seen Love in forms of compassion,
Friendship, sacrifice, loyalty.. all the sentimental stuff, AND we
have also seen the Terrifying Power of Dumbledore *decidely not
mushy*, we've seen Snape and Draco be very very good in some ways and
Harry and Hermione be very very bad in others, we've felt sorry for
Voldemort and we've been very p**sed off at Harry's Father, we've
hardly been lead to think that the books are supposed to end with a
mushy sentimental feeling conquering the bad guy, IMHO. 
So far Harry has used a sentimental Love against Voldemort (in OOtP),
and it hurt him and he ran away. But it wasn't the end of Voldemort,
it didn't destroy him. But what about it threatened him so much that
he ran. I think this Power that Voldemort fears, must truly *be*
terrifying and not just to Voldie.

So I like Last Judgement Love, a lot. Because it *is* terrifying. And
we have seen it, in Harry, several times these are the places in HBP I
think we've seen it.

After he Sectumsempra's Draco in the Bathroom - Harry is mortified by
his own actions. It's a brutal honesty causing him such guilt that
he's ready to bow to any punishment *anyone* is going to give him. He
passes an immense judgement on himself here.

When he sees the circumstances of Voldemorts Birth - Harry didn't have
it all that easy as a baby. His Parents were murdered in cold blood
before him, and yet, in the face of that very murderers painful
childhood Harry harshly judges his own fortunes he figures himself to
have it better than the person that *took everything from him*. This
is an enormous feat. A selflessness like that is truly terrifying.

I am with you on Judgement Love here Saraquel. As you can see.
However, I think if it is within the room in the MOM, then perhaps
Harry will be bringing it out to Voldemort. 

And there's one other thing: Harry's Blood doesn't directly figure in
this scenario, so I'd like to find something that establishes the
meaning of the Gleam as well.


 
> Jen:  
> I want to visit the locked room for another reason--to find out Lily 
> worked in the DOM, perhaps in that very room, where she learned 
> about the kind of love you're talking about. You suggested it might 
> be a Last Judgement Love and I'm hoping for a form of Compassionate 
> Love. I think that's the kind of love Dumbledore grew into over his 
> lifetime, and when we learn more about DD in Book 7, as JKR 
> *promised* ;), we'll find he was a boy and young man much like 
> Harry. That he wanted to save the world, and he *did* save a portion 
> of the world at Hogwarts, where he understood the importance of 
> employing House Elves, offering the centaur herd & merpeople safe 
> habitats, giving outcasts homes and jobs, teaching students 
> that 'love is more powerful than {Voldemrt's} kind of magic.' (HBP, 
> chap. 20, p. 444). That's a remarkable form of love to me.
> 

Valky:
I agree that Dumbledore's love was remarkable. And for a long time he
tried to instil the same compassion and goodness in others. I think
there will be a compassionate love in the final confrontation and it
will help Harry to win. By Saraquels theory Harry's Compassion would
be a reason he survives the raw force of this "Judgement Love" which I
 like a lot, but I don't know how compassion itself could Vanquish
Voldemort except that it could cause him to destroy himself to escape
it if he couldn't run away. Unless you were hoping that Harry's
compassion could somehow *save* Voldie from himself in the end? 
I wouldn't argue with an ending like that, if JKR figured a way to
save Tom somehow it would be OK with me but somehow I think that in
Harry's story LV can't be saved *and* kept alive it's one or the other
dead or doomed IMHO.
 
Valky