GH in Harry's memory
justcarol67
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Thu Aug 11 22:40:00 UTC 2005
No: HPFGUIDX 137325
SSSusan wrote:
> Except that you snipped out the part of my post which explained why
> this *is* still possible. When JKR was discussing, in her recent
> interview with Melissa & Emerson, how memories viewed in a pensieve
> work, she said this:
>
> "It's reality. ...But the Pensieve recreates a moment for you, so you
> could go into your own memory and relive things ***that you didn't
> notice the time.***" [Emphasis added.]
><snip>
> "MA: So there are things in there that you haven't noticed
> personally, but you can go and see yourself?
> JKR: Yes, and that's the magic of the Pensieve, that's what brings
it alive."
>
>
> SSSusan again:
> So I think she's saying there that you *didn't* have to observe or
> notice things the first time to be ABLE to observe them via the
> pensieve. IOW, if you were there, you *have* the memory -- the
> COMPLETE memory -- you just need to pull it out and put it into the
> pensieve in order to get the "reality" of it, the fullness of it.
>
> While it's in Harry's head, it may be just sensory stuff -- green
> light, screams, and such -- but pulling it out and placing it in a
> pensieve would allow him to get into the WHOLE thing and explore
what he didn't observe as a tot. <snip>
Carol responds:
Exactly. The question now is, how is Harry, who failed Occlumency,
going to get this memory out of his head. He needs a skilled
Legilimens to do it, and the three wizards we know to be Occlumens
either won't or can't do it: Dumbledore is dead, Voldemort is the
great enemy, and Snape is now at the top of Harry's personal most
hated list, whether or not he deserves to be there.
I'm wondering if the Legilimens in question might be the brilliant and
shrewd old Ollivander, whose disappearance may indicate that he's in
hiding. He can remember every wand he ever sold, which may or may not
be relevant, and he knew that Hagrid was hiding the pieces of his wand
in his umbrella, suggesting that he (Ollivander) may also be a
Legilimens (the first of our acquaintance). And those silvery eyes
resemble the thoughts in a Pensieve.
As for Snape being at Godric's Hollow (an idea mentioned elsewhere in
this thread), Bellatrix has already indicated that he wasn't there,
and Snape made it clear that he was at Hogwarts at the time, one of
the few points Bellatrix concedes as true. If anyone other than the
Potters and Voldemort was at Godric's Hollow, it was Wormtail, who
later returned Voldemort's wand to him.
For the record, Snape's presence at Godric's Hollow is not essential
to the Snape loved Lily theory. He could still have shown remorse or
even anguish at her death. (My own theory is that he felt his Dark
Mark burn horribly, then saw it fade almost to nothing, and then
rushed to Dumbledore to tell him that Voldemort must have killed the
Potters and been somehow (nearly) destroyed himself. That would
account, I think, for Dumbledore's trust in him much more than his
presence at Godric's Hollow would.)
At any rate, I'm betting that we'll see Harry's (objectified) memory
of Godric's Hollow and that Snape won't be in it, but my main reason
for responding to this post is to posit Ollivander as the Legilimens
who removes the thought (and provides the Pensieve if DD's isn't used).
Any takers or detractors? And if it isn't Olivander, who could it be?
I can't see Harry removing a thought from his own head (which requires
Occlumency, not Legilimency).
Carol
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