The Nature of Lily's sacrifice - Was:Last Judgement Love

[M.Clifford]

No: HPFGUIDX 137581

Saraquel:
There is part of me that thinks, now I've got this far, that I have
said nothing new, well nothing that Valky has not already said. If
so, I'm sorry it's been such a long haul to get nowhere much :-)
However, I know it has helped *me* to understand better the possible
nature of Lily's sacrifice. I think there is more that can be
deduced from thinking on this theme, that might well take us further
to solving what happened when Voldemort cast the fateful AK and what
happens in the final showdown. But that's either for another post
of mine, or another post from anyone who is following this theme.
Please, please, do add your thoughts to cauldron.

Valky:
I think I know exactly where to take this discussion. But I fear, it
again refers to religious themes so please forgive. 
Writing as it comes to mind, I am thinking that Saraquel has made an
extraordinary point about the nature of Lily's sacrifice in comparing
it to christian themes of redemption and christs bequeathing of
redemptive power to the world. 

I will try to be canon speculative and not heavily theological in this
post but first I will test a bit of thin ice and request the patience
of our christian or otherwise inclined members while I introduce the
crucifixion to this post. Ok there I've said it.. please be gentle if
I have overstepped my bounds. 

The sacrifice that Jesus made for the earth in this theology has
certain symbols attached to it that, now I have broached the subject,
I will list briefly and get back to canon: a Cross, a Crown of Thorns.

These things may be mirrored in Godrics Hollow, and then again they
may not. If they are, if Harry's story hs roots in this theme of
christian redemption and theology, which many many great stories do
have, then we might quickly strike one of these off the list. 
The Crux.  It is a tool of the evil in the world who would seek to
immortalise itself by removing the great threat to its nature. (who
couldn't tell whether I was talking about HP canon or christian canon
just then?  point made, no? ) So suffice to say that going with our
assumptions, there is one of these symbols right here in Godrics Hollow.

Then there is the thorny crown. The mark of a condemned person, placed
on the head of the threat. (Ok I was just having fun then.. lol I mean
to stick strictly to HP canon but it just comes out this way.) There
is something very interesting about this mark on Harry's head. And its
not just that it is a connection to Voldemort. Harry's scar, is the
same shape as the mark on the broken ring. I am not the first to say
that, but I am interested in this fact. When did the ring break? Did
it break when the Horcrux was made or when it was destroyed? We aren't
given that in canon. What we are given is in PS/SS, Hagrid says that
Harry's scar is a sign that he has been touched by a dreadful curse,
and the Sorting hat says to Harry "It's all here.. in your head.." ???
excuse me? Whats in his head exactly? Is it a horcrux? or *was* it a
horcrux? These are the answers I don't think we can actually *get*
from canon, I am sure JKR has been careful not to let them slip, but
they might be telling us something about Lily. The mark of
condemnation was *supposed* to be on her head if she was this
redeemer. Right? And if we are going to put the whole redeemer story
in there. Then Lily wore that scar on her own head, or at least
something of the same nature. Lets just go the whole hog and assume it
all means that Voldie marked Lily with this mark, before he did
anything else. When she chose to die for Harry she *was* wearing this
crown of the condemned. Lily died marked as Voldemorts equal.

The mist around Godrics Hollow, I think, has begun to dissipate.

Valky