[HPforGrownups] Re: Dumbledore's master plan

[Kathryn Jones]

No: HPFGUIDX 138507


> Larry now:
> 
> "Last gamble..." Wow is that different, or for that
> matter more justifiable than the placing of a spy?
> 
> "Risk everything..." Seems a euphamism for do
> anything. See posts138237 and 138321. Dumbledore is
> not a Dark Lord, rolling the dice with the souls of
> others.
   Larry

Kathy writes:
     "And yet, knowing how important it was that *my plan* should
succeed, I told myself that I would not permit this flaw to ruin it."
and another
     "I care more for your happiness than your knowing the truth, more
for your peace of mind than *my plan*, more for your life than the lives
that might be lost if the *plan* failed".
and another
     "What did I care if numbers of nameless and faceless people and
creatures were slaughtered in the vague future, if in the here and now,
you were alive, and well, and happy.

To my way of thinking, he is rolling a few souls here. Plus talking 
Flamels into destroying the stone so V can't get it, causing their 
deaths. I am not saying that Dumbledore is evil, just dedicated to a 
purpose. Really dedicated. Still dedicated.
KJ

> Larry now:
> 
> Anyone of good conscience would feel guilt and sorrow
> by asking others to place themselves in danger. You
> seem below to be making a case that Dumbledore is not
> so "nice", what ever that means. But aren't his pangs
> of conscience proof of goodness? Voldemort feels no
> such thing for those he places in danger.
   Larry

Kathy writes:
    What is worse, to feel guilt and sorrow and do it anyway, or not
have a clue that you are doing anything bad?
KJ

> Larry
> What master plan? Read original post again, 138106,
> and see below.
   Larry

Kathy writes:
    See first point above.


> Larry now: 
> Maybe some can correct me here, but Lupin's physical
> weakness stems from his use of the potion. The other
> werewolf we have seen, Fenrir Greyback, does not seem
> lacking in vigor. Without the potion, I see no reason
> for Lupin being unqualified for the job.
   Larry

Kathy writes:
    Pg312 HBP
  "But I do not forget that during the year I taught at Hogwarts, 
Severus made the Wolfsbane Potion for me every month, made it perfectly, 
so that I did not have to *suffer* as I usually do at the full moon".
and another
"He kept me healthy."
and another
Pg 309 HBP
Meanwhile Remus Lupin, who was thinner and more ragged-looking than ever....
KJ

> Larry now:

> In any case, Dumbledore knew of the various
> explainations Snape would give Voldemort, and knew
> them to be reasonable, hence the risk to Snape was
> also reasonable.
   Larry

Kathy writes:
   A little Crucio never hurt anyone. You any relation to Dumbledore?

> Larry now:
> 
> What you take for lack of trust is really evidence
> that there is no master plan. Dumbledore was merely
> fighting a holding action, buying time until Harry was
> ready to do what only Harry could do.
> 
> There is not the slightest shred of evidence that
> Dumbledore was orchestrating some procession to final
> victory. In fact, the section of The Prephecy that
> implies Harry is the one how can defeat the Dark Lord
> is never contradicted by Dumbledore.
snip

> I have no sense that Dumbledore planned a series of
> enveloping moves, leading to inevitable check mate. He
> was training his warrior, and when that training was
> complete would send him out to combat and hope for the
> best. HBP Am. ed. P.197-198:
> "Sir," said Harry tentativly, "does what you're going
> to tell me have anything to do with the prophecy? Will
> it help me...survive?"
> 
> "It has a very great deal to do with the prophecy,"
> said Dumbledore, as casually as if Harry had asked him
> about the next day's weather, "and I certainly hope
> that it will help you to survive." 
> Larry

Kathy writes:
     That Dumbledore had a plan and was orchestrating it is canon. 
Notice how he does not make Harry any false promises here. He is also 
using Harry, which in all honesty he has made plain to Harry, sort of.
KJ