*When* did Dumbledore die?
ornadv
ornawn at 013.net
Wed Dec 21 21:33:33 UTC 2005
No: HPFGUIDX 145142
Pippin wrote:
> Dumbledore died of the poison, IMO, some ten or twenty minutes
> after he'd fallen from the tower. He may have been
> conscious long enough to open the locket, he may
> have decided not to call for aid in order to preserve
> Snape's cover and keep the vow from going into effect,
> or because his first priority was to see that Snape and
> Harry got the Death Eaters out of the school. Any
> way you slice it, neither of them is a murderer in this
> scenario. Death by misadventure.
Orna:
Just want to add Harry's first intuition – he badly wanted to get
Snape and DD together – feeling that that would reverse things. It
would support your theory, since Snape would be the one who could
heal DD – perhaps.
BUT – that means that Snape ran away, while he knew DD's state, and
him being the only one who can rescue him. So how does that help?
AND – Harry froze – perhaps not because of shock as he thinks, but
because DD was still alive when he fell over. OK. But his being
able to move again – how do you explain it? DD wandless freeing him,
Snape nonverbally freeing him?
I don't have an explanation for the fresh blood, but
. As you said,
it might be a flint, which could be explained away by – the effect
of the potion – disabling the congenial of blood.
>lealess
>Snape sees what's going on and flings
>Dumbledore over the edge of the building. Dumbledore floats down,
>and arranges his death much as Slughorn arranged his debacle by
>Death Eater, complete with blood (dragon's?).
<snip>
>And Dumbledore may be out of the action, but he may not yet be dead.
Orna:
I like your suggestion very much – combined with Pippin's theory.
Much more than all those shortcomings, I have suggested. It gives a
moment of something like happy hope.
But – I do believe DD is dead. Corpse, Funeral, Phoenix song,
portrait,– all point to DD being dead.
I also think that in a way DD (tried) to help us accept his death –
from PS he talks about death being a natural thing, in HBP he
recurrently foreshadows his death in many dialogues. It doesn't help
much when the clock strikes, but I do believe him dead.
Orna
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