*When* did Dumbledore die?
ornadv
ornawn at 013.net
Wed Dec 21 21:33:33 UTC 2005
No: HPFGUIDX 145142
Pippin wrote:
> Dumbledore died of the poison, IMO, some ten or twenty minutes
> after he'd fallen from the tower. He may have been
> conscious long enough to open the locket, he may
> have decided not to call for aid in order to preserve
> Snape's cover and keep the vow from going into effect,
> or because his first priority was to see that Snape and
> Harry got the Death Eaters out of the school. Any
> way you slice it, neither of them is a murderer in this
> scenario. Death by misadventure.
Orna:
Just want to add Harry's first intuition he badly wanted to get
Snape and DD together feeling that that would reverse things. It
would support your theory, since Snape would be the one who could
heal DD perhaps.
BUT that means that Snape ran away, while he knew DD's state, and
him being the only one who can rescue him. So how does that help?
AND Harry froze perhaps not because of shock as he thinks, but
because DD was still alive when he fell over. OK. But his being
able to move again how do you explain it? DD wandless freeing him,
Snape nonverbally freeing him?
I don't have an explanation for the fresh blood, but
. As you said,
it might be a flint, which could be explained away by the effect
of the potion disabling the congenial of blood.
>lealess
>Snape sees what's going on and flings
>Dumbledore over the edge of the building. Dumbledore floats down,
>and arranges his death much as Slughorn arranged his debacle by
>Death Eater, complete with blood (dragon's?).
<snip>
>And Dumbledore may be out of the action, but he may not yet be dead.
Orna:
I like your suggestion very much combined with Pippin's theory.
Much more than all those shortcomings, I have suggested. It gives a
moment of something like happy hope.
But I do believe DD is dead. Corpse, Funeral, Phoenix song,
portrait, all point to DD being dead.
I also think that in a way DD (tried) to help us accept his death
from PS he talks about death being a natural thing, in HBP he
recurrently foreshadows his death in many dialogues. It doesn't help
much when the clock strikes, but I do believe him dead.
Orna
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