Snape and Prophecy and Harry/Snape as an abuser

[ornadv]

No: HPFGUIDX 145571

>Alla:
>Have Snape expected
>that Voldemort will decide to invited for friendly dinner or tea the
>couple of the Prophecy? I just don't think that he could have seem
>any other outcomes, except that those whom prophecy is about will be
>dead meat ASAP the moment Voldemort learns about the Prophecy and
>decides to act. IMO of course.

>And I don't see contradiction in DD's words either. To me "
>unexpected" most likely meant that Potters turned out to be the
>couple of the Prophecy. That is if Snape's remorse indeed was
>genuine of course.

Orna:
Well, yes - I do think Snape expected Voldemort to invite the couple 
for a friendly dinner and toast
 no home-taxi needed. 
So you mean that Snape's remorse (if there was one), was because he 
realized the people concerned were the Potters? I find it a little 
bit difficult to believe Snape telling himself and DD – as long as I 
didn't think about whom is involved, I was OK with it. But now that 
it's James, who was my dear pal at school and his son (Lily wasn't 
in the sure hit-list), I can't stand it any more.  I'm a bit 
cynical, but I just say, that I would like something more 
substantial than that.
OTOH it might be  possible, that once you realize that the killing 
is not just wizards, muggles, but a person you know – something of 
the evilness involved may finally hit you. Perhaps his life dept 
functions into it. Snape could be a person not feeling well, that a 
person, whom he owes his life to, is a person, who will be killed 
because of his contribution. I can see that Snape, with his 
aristocratic half-blood-prince self-image, would find it 
unacceptable to himself. He might have tried to alarm DD and James 
as well, and not succeeding would trap him in a life-long dept, he 
would want to get rid ASAP. That would explain his continuous hatred 
towards Harry. It's possible, but I don't find it satisfying for a 
genuine remorse.

I also don't see why he would be so surprised of the way Voldemort 
interpreted this prophecy – it had to do with someone who had (or 
was about to have) a child in July. Snape could figure it out for 
himself – who was concerned. 
Two more thoughts I am having – the first evil one: 
1) Perhaps Voldemort, who hasn't got anything against killing on a 
large scale, decided to kill every baby born in July – just in case. 
Since – as you said, prophecies can relate to future events, he may 
have decided that July born babies were to be killed – from now on. 
I thought that perhaps Bellatrix torturing of the Longbottoms might 
be something of revenge. Snape's way of relating to Neville is 
somehow suspicious of special significance. Perhaps a way like this 
to interpret the prophecy may have shakeî Snape more deeply.

2) Another thought was, that perhaps Voldemort who is great in 
sadistic moves towards his servants, wanted Snape to have an active 
part in killing Harry. The same way he used Wormtail to get Harry, 
sensing somehow that Wormtail was reluctant to do it. I'm not sure 
he knew about Wormtail being saved by Harry, and Snape being saved 
by James, but he might sense something there, and it would be quite 
in his nature and his amusement to order Snape some active 
involvement in killing James. That might be a moment when Snape 
wouldn't want to be in it any more. 

Orna