Dumbledore the General

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No: HPFGUIDX 124233


First I agree with Betsy on this, that DD is a good general and that 
he has been pro-active.   

> Betsy:
> As far as the war today - I disagree that Dumbledore has been 
> merely reacting, and I also disagree that he's been doing all 
> that bad of a job in fighting Voldemort.  <snip>
> 
> Alla :
> 
> As I said in my previous post - I think there COULD be a reason 
> which we are not exposed to yet as to why Dumbledore behaves as he 
> is and I will even concede that this reason could be very good.
> 
> Nevertheless I disagree with you, because as I see the facts right 
> now, Dumbledore had been doing NO proactive movement whatsoever. 
> Can you give me the examples of what Dumbledore had been doing 
> which does not concern Harry, but concerns anti-Voldemort efforts?

-- Kristen:

1) Yes, he sent Hagrid to get the Giants.  
2) He is speaking out to the wizarding world that Voldemort has 
returned even though it is costing him political capital. 
3) He has the order members tracking know death eaters.  While I know 
it might be more active to "take them out".   Remember that Azkaban 
may not be under MOM control much longer and they are trying to learn 
more of the enemies plans.
4) He has order members looking for international support and 
recruiting members
5) He may (or may not) have Snape out there spying on DEs.  But 
either way he is up to something.
6) He has order members guarding the prophecy in an effort to keep 
that "weapon" out of Voldemort's hands.
Last: This is all Harry knows of we don't know what.

In a war that is not yet public, I'm not sure what else you expect 
the order to do right now.  They cannot very well attack the DEs 
when the MOM does not acknowledge that Lucius and company are a 
threat.  All that would do is land order members in Azkaban.  

> Alla:
> The fact that Voldemort is no longer operating in Shadows is not 
> exactly thanks to Dumbledore, I think. Same thing with Lucius being 
> exposed, IMO.


-- Kristen: 
I agree DD did not plan Lucius' exposure.
 
> Alla:
> Harry is still alive? Let's just say that I think Dumbledore got 
> very lucky that he did not create another Dark Lord in making by 
> his "Keeping Harry alive". Regardless, I will grant you that.

-- Kristen: 
I agree DD could have done better by sharing more with Harry but he 
admits his mistake and even DD is allowed a few mistakes.

> Betsy:
> No, I think Dumbledore is a fine general.  I think the near loss in 
> the first war had more to do with the Ministry not allowing 
> Dumbledore to lead than any lack on Dumbledore's account.  When 
> Dumbledore is given his head, as he has been in the last fifteen 
> years, he does alright.
> 
> Alla:
> I WANT you to be right on this one, honestly. :)
> But I will wait and see.

-- Kristen: 
In terms of the 1st WW, I forget the exact reference but I think 
Sirius says that the first time around Voldemort built up power slowly; 
and at first had support from a lot of pureblood before people saw 
his "true colors."  If this is true the order is not just fighting 
Voldemort & his DEs but public opinion.

By the time the "war" started I think some said the order was out 
numbered 2:1, and the order was being picked off one by one.   So I think 
we can assume that DD was very active then but also had to figure out 
a way to keep his "troops" from being destroyed.  I see them at this 
point is more of a resistance group than the MOM army.   Just a 
thought.

- Kristen