JKR cheat with the prophecy - Point of Destiny
kempermentor
kempermentor at yahoo.com
Tue Feb 22 14:41:58 UTC 2005
No: HPFGUIDX 124997
Dave made a response:
My only problem with it is this -- Where does Lily fit into it all?
It's her protection that causes the AK to fail. Would the same
events have played out if V had gone after Neville first?
Maybe the thing that redeems the prophecy is that it's self-
fulfilling
-- It comes true if and only if V believes it.
Then Julia:
<snip>
How can we know that it doesn't concern Neville? How can we now know
that the prophecy was never about Neville? Because the last part of
the prophecy (about marking as an equal and powers that voldie knows
not) can't refer to Neville. It's refering to what Lily did.
This part is about the role of Lily - it was because of her that
Harry has a power that Voldie doesn't know.
Kemper Now:
How can it not refer Neville? Later, you wr
<snipping some more>
The significant part of the prophecy which tells us that it couldn't
have been Neville and that the prophecy was in first place refering
to exactly what happened in GH is the part about 'Voldemort marking
the baby as his equal'. IMO it was a separate prediction that Voldie
will choose Harry - because HARRY is his equal not Neville.
<snippity snip>
IMO it's predicting not only that it will be Harry -
that Voldie will choose him but also the sacrifice of Lily.
"The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches"
- can refer to every child that will be soon born
"Born to those who have trice defied him, born as the seventh month
dies"
- refer to the child of Longbottoms or Potters, they will have a
child in late July (seventh month!)
"and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have
power the Dark Lord knows not"
- it can refer only to Harry - he anly can be marked as equal to
Voldemort and Voldemort can mark only him as his equal. This is the
part which refers also to the sacrifice of Lily which provided Harry
the power that Voldie doesn't know.
Of course you may ask how we can be sure that Mrs Longbottom
wouldn't have done the same thing as Lily. I'm sure that she would
have done the same but I'm sure that she wouldn't have had the
chance - Voldemort would have never marked Neville as his equal.
<final snip>
Kemper now:
You say the prophecy can't refer to Neville because of Lily's
sacrifice, then you later say that it is possible Alice (or Frank for
that matter) would have made the same sacrifice (Blood Protection
Charm), but then you take that, IMO, very real possibility away with
the weakest of assumptions: Alice wouldn't have had the chance.
Why would that be assumed? She thrice defied LV. It's easy to
assume that she was pretty tough, determined and talented. Is it so
easy to dismiss that?
To go back to the prophecy...
The Dark Lord will mark him as his equal... not his mom.
-Kemper
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