JKR cheat with the prophecy - Point of Destiny
Julia
jolka55 at poczta.onet.pl
Tue Feb 22 15:49:06 UTC 2005
No: HPFGUIDX 125000
>> Then Julia:
> <snip>
> How can we know that it doesn't concern Neville? How can we now
know that the prophecy was never about Neville? Because the last
part of the prophecy (about marking as an equal and powers that
voldie knows not) can't refer to Neville. It's refering to what Lily
did.
This part is about the role of Lily - it was because of her that
Harry has a power that Voldie doesn't know.
> Kemper Now:
> How can it not refer Neville? Later, you wr
> <snipping some more>
>> The significant part of the prophecy which tells us that it
couldn't have been Neville and that the prophecy was in first place
refering to exactly what happened in GH is the part about 'Voldemort
marking the baby as his equal'. IMO it was a separate prediction
that Voldie will choose Harry - because HARRY is his equal not
Neville.
> <snippity snip>
>> IMO it's predicting not only that it will be Harry - that Voldie
will choose him but also the sacrifice of Lily.
>
> "The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches"
> - can refer to every child that will be soon born
> "Born to those who have trice defied him, born as the seventh
month
> dies"
> - refer to the child of Longbottoms or Potters, they will have a
> child in late July (seventh month!)
> "and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have
> power the Dark Lord knows not"
> - it can refer only to Harry - he anly can be marked as equal to
> Voldemort and Voldemort can mark only him as his equal. This is
the part which refers also to the sacrifice of Lily which provided
Harry the power that Voldie doesn't know.
>
> Of course you may ask how we can be sure that Mrs Longbottom
> wouldn't have done the same thing as Lily. I'm sure that she would
> have done the same but I'm sure that she wouldn't have had the
> chance - Voldemort would have never marked Neville as his equal.
Kemper now:
> You say the prophecy can't refer to Neville because of Lily's
sacrifice, then you later say that it is possible Alice (or Frank
for that matter) would have made the same sacrifice (Blood
Protection Charm), but then you take that, IMO, very real
possibility away with the weakest of assumptions: Alice wouldn't
have had the chance.
Why would that be assumed? She thrice defied LV. It's easy to
assume that she was pretty tough, determined and talented. Is it so
easy to dismiss that?
To go back to the prophecy...
The Dark Lord will mark him as his equal... not his mom.
>
> -Kemper
Julia again:
I really don't know why you think that it's the weakest assumption
that Alice wouldn't have had the chance to sacrifice her...
I think you didn't understand me. IMO there couldn't have been any
chance for Mrs Longbottom to do it because of the part of
prophecy "and DL will mark him as his equal" (which btw is BEFORE
the statement about the powers of the baby - provided by mother's
sacrifice - so it can indicate that the choice will be made before
the sacrifice. This part didn't refer to Neville and will never do -
Neville has NEVER been Voldemort's equal (halfblood) so Alice
couldn't make her sacrifice because Voldemort wasn't predicted to be
after Neville.
I didn't question Alice's abilities or powers I'm sure that if she
were Lily she would have done the same BUT she never got the
chance!!!! Neville was NEVER meant as a target.
Julia
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