Suggestions please: Mysteries

[ms_luna_knows]

No: HPFGUIDX 121882


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" <justcarol67 at y...> wrote:
> 
> Carol earlier:
> > ...edited...
> > 
> > > And for all we know, Winky in her mistaken kindness to poor young
> Master let Barty Jr. practice magic under the cover of his
> invisibility cloak. We know that he had periods when the Imperius
> Curse was weak, and the Imperius Curse didn't prevent him from
> maturing physically, so probably it didn't prevent the natural
> maturation of his magical powers, either. 
> > 
> > Juli:
> > 
> > But I don't think Barty Jr did any magic while under
> > the Imperius curse, here's the quote from GoF, Ch 35
> > 
> > "But Winky didn't know that I was growing stronger. I
> > was starting to fight my father's Imperius Curse.
> > There were times when I was almost myself again. There
> > were brief periods when I seemed outside his control.
> > It happened, there, in the Top Box. It was like waking
> > from a deep sleep. I found myself out in public, in
> > the
> > middle of the match, and I saw, in front of me, a wand
> > sticking out of a boys pocket. I had not been allowed
> > a wand since before Azkaban. I stole it. Winky
> > didn't know.
> > 
> > This means he didn't do any magic, at least any
> > wand-magic, he could have done some wandless, but I
> > doubt it. Barty must have learned the Dark Arts when
> > he joined the DEs, afterwards he was sent to jail,
> > then imperio'd by his father, then he went to Hogwarts
> > as Moody so this doesn't leave much time to learn much
> > magic.
> > 
> > Juli
> 
>Hi everyone!,
I am re-reading GoF and I noticed something that may be important to this discussion 
about Crouch Jr.,  When Mr. Crouch, Sr comes stumbing out of the Forbidden Forest after 
escaping from LV and he is talking to the tree...he says something very interesting, He 
says that his son received 12 OWLS...yes, we are very proud of him.  So, doesn't this mean 
that Barty Jr., had the potential, even at Hogwarts to be a very powerful wizard?  He had it 
in him, and probably would have learned Dark Arts from the DE's very quickly.  I had 
thought it unlikely, at first that he would have been able to REALLy participate in the 
torture and what not that the DE's were doing, but now that I have noticed this little 
phrase, I have to re-think my first supposition.