Ginny, Snape and assorted desiderata ...

[Milz]

No: HPFGUIDX 133725

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Richard" <darkmatter30 at y...> wrote:
> 
> So, starting with Ginny and Harry, I have no problem with this 
> relationship at all.  I'd long thought that the only two girls who 
> made sense as interests for Harry were Hermione and Ginny, and despite 
> assertions from several that they did not see this coming, or that it 
> was to peremptorily presented, I think the basis for it lies 
> definitely as far back as CoS, and even SS/PS. 
> 

I used to be a very active member of this Group a few years ago, and I
clearly remember many discussions about Hermione's romantic feelings
for Harry and her non-romantic feelings for Ron. IMO, these people
tended to be the ones who identified with Hermione and wanted her to
be with Harry because they preferred Harry (the hero, the celebrity of
the series) over Ron (the sidekick). And for these people, any pairing
 contrary to what they want will be unsuitable. That's why I don't
bother with the "shippers"---they're too narrow-minded, which makes
them overlook many of the blatantly obvious clues Rowling has been
dropping in the previous books.

> 
> As for Snape, I think his loving Lily is still on the table as a real 
> possibility.  Why?  Slughorn has said repeatedly that Lily was very 
> gifted at potions.  This opens at several possible arguments on the 
> point, and her are a few of them.
> 
> First, since we "know" that Snape was very gifted in this field, it 
> might be the case that he helped Lily, and that the dislike of her 
> that he also been stated in canon came later due to her rejection of 
> him in favor of James.  In this line, it could be argued that her 
> disapproval of James' treatment of Snape in the pensieve scene was in 
> part a certain loyalty to someone who had helped her, and not merely 
> her sense of fairness.
> 

In OoP US hardcover page 649 Chapter: Snape's Worst Memory:

"there you go, " he {James] said, as Snape struggled to his feet
again, "you're lucky Evans was here, Snivellus-"

"I don't need help from filthy little Mudbloods like her!"

I don't get the feeling that Snape had the hots for Lily with that
remark....

BUT this does give an interesting look into Snape's psyche: he's a
half Muggle, yet he holds a Muggle born in contempt. So Snape is
projecting his perceived undesirable qualities onto Lily (and other
Muggle borns).

I don't buy that Snape co-wrote the notes in the Potions book nor that
he had help from anyone in his year. That detracts from Snape's
abilities as a potions master. 

> I don't see the complaints about Tonks and Remus at all.  I think what 
> we are seeing is simply that the Potterverse is broader than canon.  
> People continue to live lives, fall in love, fight, etc., outside of 
> canon, and it is not necessary for canon to incorporate all of this 
> into canon.  To me, this demonstrates a rather richer imagination on 
> the part of JKR than many an author, and is to her credit, especially 
> as she is often able to use "off canon" to build plot that is 
> subsequently canonized.
> 
I also think it would have detracted from the Harry plot if Rowling
delved into the Tonks Remus relationship more. Let's face it, Harry is
in school. He has limited contact with Tonks and Remus during the
school year---why would we need to cut away to a dinner date with
Tonks and Remus? This is Harry Potter not "The O.C." 

Milz