The Cave, the Bible, the Passing of the Baton...

[vmonte]

No: HPFGUIDX 134272

Cathy Drolet wrote:
I may have missed this while I was off-list avoiding spoilers. If it
has already been discussed then forgive me, list-elves!

These are DD's words, spoken in the Chapter "The Cave" while he was
being force-fed potion by HP.

"I don't want...don't make me
Don't like ... want to stop
No. I don't want to ... I don't want to ... let me go
Make it stop, make it stop
No, no, no ... no ... I can't ... I can't, don't make me, I don't
want to
It's all my fault, all my fault, please make it stop. I know I did
wrong. Oh,
please make it stop and I'll never, never again.
Please, please, please, no ... not that, not that, I'll do anything
No more, please, no more
I want to die! I want to die! Make it stop, make it stop, I want to
die!
Kill me!"

vmonte responds:
This entire scene is so upsetting. It sounds like a memory of some 
kind but I'm not sure if it belongs to Dumbledore or if the memory 
was somehow recorded in the liquid Dumbledore drank. It's strange. 

The "I know I did wrong" and "It's all my fault" does remind me of 
what Dumbledore said to Harry regarding how sorry Snape was when he 
found out that the Potter family was targeted by Voldemort. (Did 
Dumbledore penetrate Snape's mind in the same way that he got 
information out of Kreacher during OOTP? Or was Snape given some kind 
of truth serum?)

I also wonder if Dumbledore had just reviewed this memory in his 
penseive before he left with Harry to the cave. Was Dumbledore trying 
to see if there was anything in Harry's comments about Snape that was 
true? 

If so, I predict that this memory is still floating in the penseive 
and that Harry will receive the penseive in Dumbledore's will. 

By the way, there are some other curious things that come to mind. 
Was Dumbledore the "Harry Potter" of his generation? Does the cave 
represent the passing of the baton? I like the way that Dumbledore 
uses his blood to get into the cave and how Harry later uses his own 
blood to get out. Is there a correlation between Dumbledore vs 
Grindelwald and Harry vs Voldemort? 

What is happening in the cave also symbolically reminds me of the 
Bible. There is another site that has compared Dumbledore's time in 
the cave with Jesus's last night in the Garden (dcv & whizbang 
theory). I'm unable to get to this post at the moment but will post 
it later. The jist of their theory is that some of the comments 
Dumbledore makes in the cave are similar to what Jesus says the night 
before his crucifixion.

I also wonder though if DD was reliving the moment that Snape 
confessed about the plot against the Potters. I wonder if it was 
during this "reflash" that Dumbledore was finally able to see that 
past moment in history in a clear way. I wonder if it was at this 
moment that Dumbledore realized that Snape had betrayed him. Maybe 
this is the real reason why Dumbledore wants to see Snape right after-
-to confront him. 

When Dumbledore does see Snape his comments to Snape may very be 
echoing the Bible's: "Why have you forsaken me" Snape? (JMO) 
Did Dumbledore die for Snape's sins? 

If so, Snape has made a crucial error in killing Dumbledore. Martyred 
people often become stronger when they die. And their followers often 
become braver, and more focused. (Didn't Judas allegedly hang himself 
over the guilt?) 

So, will Dumbledore rise from the dead before passing through the 
veil? 

Vivian