Dumbledore ... COME ON HE IS NOT DEAD! not for long! ;)

[diliapacheco]

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Marianne:
<snip> However, my impression is that [Occlumency] is now a non-starter - Harry doesn't need this to protect himself from the invasions of Vmort.  Why?  Because Harry has the ability to 
love people, which is anethema to Vmort. <snip>  


Dilie wrote:
I don't think you took that conversation that DD had with HP about 
Occlumancy the way some of us did
 You see, LV is currently using 
Occlumancy to protect himself from Harry and the Order. However, that does not mean that when LV wants to check out if DD is really dead, he wont go through Harry's thoughts, which are obviously pretty easy to see. Lets face it, that's not one of his forte. 

   
Marianne:
And that's one part of my problem with this.  DD continuing to 
control the story, dig out the information, direct the "hero", is 
old news at this point.  Maybe you're right and this is what JKR 
has up her sleeve.  If so, the last book could be called "Marianne's 
Cat and the Tomb of Voldemort."  Harry would be as incidental as a 
piece of furniture. Harry is then no more than a tool in the hands of the grand master, Dumbledore.  


Dilia Wrote:
I'm sorry, if that really is the case, why not call it, Three Heads 
is Better than one and the Chamber of Secrets? You are aware that 
Harry wouldn't be were he is, if it wasn't for DD, Ron and Hermione? 
I think you missed the message in this last book. Harry, of course, 
will succeed, because he has friends he loves, and friends who look 
over him, friends who protect him. Voldemort, undoubtedly, will loose because his death eaters are scared of him, that's not respect. These DE, they have the knowledge but lack the courage, that's why they feel safe under LV ¨umbrella¨.  


Marianne:
Agreed, but, he will be the hero if DD has indeed bit the 
proverbial dust. If Dumbledore rises and again leads the way, then Harry is no more than the hammer DD needs to pound in that last nail in the  coffin.


Dilia wrote:
Again, we are failing to see at the same way. A mentor does not push you through the way; he shows you, and most of the time, he 
facilitates many troubles that may be in the way. If we concur on 
this, than maybe we are getting somewhere. 

 
Marianne:
Well, if JKR's only reason to bump off Sirius is to make me believe 
that DD could also die, when she's really planning on bringing him 
back, then that's an incredibly stupid reason. Especially, if what 
you seem to suggest is some authorial sleight of hand:  Sirius is 
killled off, so I'll believe it when DD is apparently killed.  And, 
then, in Book 7, DD springs up alive?  And, I'm supposed to be 
happy about this?  I'd feel manipulated in the extreme.


Dilia wrote:
No, no, no. Why do you have to call it stupid? We've been over this in other messages on the same topic. It could be that Dumbledore was 
interested in Harry seeing him die. For instance, if Harry finally 
sees Dumbledore, the best Wizard ever, die before his eyes, maybe 
just maybe he would finally realize that he is also human. And with this, he would start to believe in himself, mature a lot, and 
acknowledge the great wizard he also is. Since in all the books he 
always doubts his powers, he is just human. For example, in the first book, after Hagrid tells him he is a wizard, he does not believe it, even though all the weird stuff he had done throughout his life that he could not explain. And then afterwards he learned pretty well that he is a wizard, but could not believe that he is the wizard that Dumbledore expects him to be. UNTIL NOW! In conclusion, I guess Dumbledore wanted Harry to meditate on his death, so that he starts believing in himself, as he did at the end of the 6th book, where it is obvious he has matured a lot. 

 
Marianne:
Well, in my mind, it's not plausible at all. So the RAB person did 
whatever to the potion in order to place the fake locket there. And 
then DD and Snape figured all that out, replaced the potion with 
some other potion, set up the scene so that DD and Harry would have 
their adventure, but it was all a hoax?

So when DD blows back into Hogwarts in Book 7 Harry will be so 
happy to see him that he'll ignore the fact that he's once again been DD's toy? Sorry, not buying it.


Dilia wrote:
No, it's not like that. Meditate on it... You see, Harry has matured, he has started to mature ever since Sirius death, and now we could actually see it in DD's funeral. He will understand, that without it, he could have never start to believe in himself.

Nevertheless, I will encourage you to read the messages that were 
posted previously with the same subject.

-Dilia