The good Slytherin / Salazar (Ye Purebloods, Merlin was What!?)

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No: HPFGUIDX 131323


> 
> Alisha wrote:
> Well, there is the Fat Friar.  Also, I think the issue of 
religious 
> figures was brought up to show that it's possible Helga and Rowena 
> could have been educated, single women brought up in a convent, 
and 
> therefore considered with reverence and equality.
> 
KarentheUnicorn's Reply:

Yea, I didn't think of him, I think I was really combining both 
thoughs there really, I was thinking of the founders and the people 
in the books now at the same time. I'm am not wholly person into the 
history of the 900's, but I read a essay someone did about the time 
period regarding what was going on in Brit, at the time Hogwarts was 
founded, so I guess all that feel into my thoughs, at the same time.
(laughs)
> 


> Alisha wrote:
> What about the possibility of them having spouses outside the 
> foursome?  Perhaps it's Salazar and Samantha Slytherin or Rowena 
and 
> Robert Ravenclaw.

KarentheUnicorn's Reply:

Muwhahahaaaaaa, Samantha!!! Does she twitch her nose!!!! 
Muwhaha...Robert...How about Robin Ravenclaw..muwhaha. Holy Accio 
Salazar, your wife Samantha is a bonny lass...

> Alisha wrote:
> Wasn't the International Act of Wizarding Secrecy (or whatever 
it's 
> called) set up in the 1400s?  So if Hogwart's was founded 1000 
years 
> before CoS, then it would have been about 400 years before the 
> wizards separated from the muggles.

KarentheUnicorn's Reply:

And that my friends, is..Uni..do the math....meh..I don't know, I 
don't have a fact book with all these laws in it. Yes, I know, the 
police will tell me, that ignorance of the law is no excuse....sorry 
Sir, I'm just a Unicorn.



> Alisha wrote:  I don't see how this flows logically from the 
pureblood 
> ideal.  If the males in the family hold such prejudices, it is 
> entirely possible that the females do as well.  There's no way of 
> knowing what would happen to a woman who chose to marry a non-
> pureblood wizard.  She would probably be disowned, but that is no 
> different than what happens to Tonks' mother.  Narcissa Malfoy 
> probably chose to marry a pureblood wizard based on her own 
> prejudices not necessarily those of her family.  And inversely, if 
a 
> wizard chose to marry a non-pureblood witch, he would also 
probably 
> have been disowned.  It is not only the women who might have been 
> pressured into marrying against their will.  In order for a family 
> to remain "toujours pur", both the witches and the wizards would 
> have to marry only purebloods.
> 

KarentheUnicorn's Reply:
Yes, I though of that actually, But still, the point I was making 
was about the gender friendly way everything is supposed to be 
balanced, if say, you are a pureblood woman, and have to choose 
between the man you love and your family..well..thats not very 
gender balanced, ok so maybe thats a family problem, but I suppose 
the logic I was following, the wizarding world is not 50/50 balanced 
if this sort of thing is going on. And yes, I do see that the 
children like Belle have been brought up and believe just as 
strongly as the men, I was just making the point that not everyone 
would be that way, so, their is a strong gender bias even in the 
wizarding world....I think that was sorta..what I meant by that....I 
think most of my post was basicly to show that even though its a 
nice though that the wizarding world is sorta this balance woman man 
thing, There are still just as many issues as the regular muggle 
folks have.

> 
> 
> Alisha wrote:
> Again, I don't see this as entirely logical.  First of all, it is 
> apparent that Narcissa carries at least some sway in the Malfoy 
> household.  It was her decision for Draco to attend Hogwart's 
> instead of Durmstrang.  
> Also, it's possible that Molly chose to stay home with the 
> children.  She seems a capable witch in her own right, I'm sure 
she 
> could have gotten a job if she chose to.  The presence of a 
> homemaker does not always indicate a patriarchal system.  And to 
say 
> that since Arthur is the breadwinner he is the head of the house 
is 
> simply propagating patriarchal values.  That's the argument that 
> people have used for centuries to argue male superiority.  Since 
the 
> man is the one who "works" he is the one to whom the female should 
> submit.  The reason that men worked, historically, was because 
they 
> were physiologically better suited to the work that needed to be 
> done.  It is natural in many animals as well for one gender to do 
> specific work because they are physically better capable. (Think 
of 
> lionesses doing the hunting because the male lions' manes make 
them 
> too conspicuous for stalking prey.)

KarentheUnicorn's Reply:

I though they had those mane's because it made them look 
sexy...Hay..You lion, Your not Sexy, Your lazy, you eat all the 
food, and you bash my cubs around....hum..but you do have a cute 
tooshie...ok, so maybe I'll hang around and raise your rotten litter 
of 6 cubs...rotten man.

Well, maybe we will see that Narssie is the boss and Lucius is just 
following her orders...muwhahah. I simply though she wanted her baby 
boy close to home. If that is what you meant in your reply, as, 
thats the only thing I can remember really being said about 
her....except the comment about she looks like shes got dung under 
her nose..teehee, If that is the statment you were talking about, 
That is almost like a complaint of a winny rich woman, pleading with 
her husband not to send her son so far away from her. I mean, in my 
mind, I'm seeing her doing a Rowena Ravenclaw putting foot down 
episode that I so comically indicated. "If you send my little Draco 
all the way to that school, I will never speak to you again Lucius!!"

I was also not trying to say that Molly and Aurther have anything 
but a loving relationship, but working and earning money is 
importaint to life, obviously the Weasley's are in need of money. 
The wizarding world is no different there compaired to the muggle 
world. So if they are so poor and in need of money I wonder why 
Molly doesn't work? I'm not complaining about it, or, saying shes 
wrong, so please, I hope nobody is getting offended and saying I'm 
using a male point of view..since..um..I'm a girl. I was just using 
my power of observation to point out, Even though it is being said 
that the wizarding world is balanced 50/50, well, their are still 
examples of the same muggle system....Be it by choice or forced.


> Alisha wrote:
> This is only one version of the story of Merlin.  When it comes to 
> legends, there are no "facts", only interpretations.

KarentheUnicorn's Reply:

Meh..um...Generally, wouldn't that also be the case in 
any "information" JLR might put in her books about Merlin. But, 
thats just compairing a story, to a story..since..well, last I 
checked..the potter universe was...under a great deal of 
interpretation right now. So, anything we say about, Merline, Rowena 
Ravenclaw, Salizar Slytherin, is actually, one version of our own 
idea of the story, and until JKR gives us facts...I will submit that 
it is all open for interpritation.
> 
>> 
> Alisha wrote:
> JKR has pointed out several times that she intentionally kept the 
> balance of teaching staff at Hogwart's 50% male and 50% female.  
And 
> there are certainly witches among the headmasters' portraits in 
DD's 
> office, so while the current headmaster is male, that has 
apparently 
> not always been the case.

KarentheUnicorn's reply:

Yea, but, you need 50% woman, how else are you going to get little 
girls into the story....Hermione and McGonagall must hold down the 
fort! wait..we need girls as founders to! wait...lets add somemore 
girls...we need to meet the quota...ok..I was being silly again...
> 
> Alisha wrote:
> It seems to me that we have a very limited view of the majority of 
> the wizarding world to be making these sort of assumptions.  I can 
> only think of two cases that we know of where the husband "works" 
> and the wife stays at home (Malfoys and Weasleys), but if you 
think 
> about it, Lucius Malfoy doesn't really work.  He just manages the 
> estate and keeps the wheels greased for his political 
maneuverings.  
> Think about Amelia Bones.  She's very high up in the ministry.  
> Think of Bellatrix Lestrange.  She's practically Voldemort's right 
> hand woman.  Think of Neville's Gran.  Although a generally 
> umpleasant person, she seems to be the head of her family.  

KarentheUnicorn's Reply:

Bella, a high up woman, you mean that lady in the ministry of magic 
trying to kill Harry, the same woman that was cowering before 
Voldemort begging for forgiveness......yuck..please don't use her as 
an example, she reaks of harlot to me. I wanta smack her and tell 
her to stop the baby talk. Sorry, went into a Belle rant...I just 
dont' like her...maybe its cause she wasted Sirius...meh, I'd like 
to claw her eyes out...CATFIGHT..or um...Unicorn fight..okay, 
so...I'll poke her eye out...I don't have claws do I.
> 
>> 
> 
> Alisha wrote:
> I find your humor to be quite amusing actually.  The idea of 
Rowena 
> putting her foot down made me chuckle!

KarentheUnicorn's Reply:

Thank You. Come on, what woman wouldn't. Maybe Helga would say, How 
the bloody hell are we going to feed that overgrown Snake, 
Salizar..You are totally crazy. I don't care, build it where ever 
you want, but keep it away from MY AREA, maybe you should dig 
deeper..like really deeper...no, I will not help you catch poor 
bunny rabbits to help feed your nasty basalisk.

OK..so we've got to add a Godrick here.
"You know Salzie...um..that thing is going to get pretty big when it 
grows up, have you told the girls about it yet.....meh, you might 
want to let it go..or...get rid of it..I don't think Row is going to 
like seeing it very much. It is kinda cute though..what do they 
eat...what BUNNY RABBITS..NO..get rid of it...thats just...cruel. 
Well I know its got to eat, but thats just wrong..NO I don't want to 
see it eat a live BUNNY, you are a sick man Salzie, exacly why are 
we friends.


Ok..nuff said, laugh if you want to, curse me if you need to.

KarentheUnicorn