The good Slytherin / Salazar (Ye Purebloods, Merlin was What!?)

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> > Alisha wrote:  I don't see how this flows logically from the 
> pureblood 
> > ideal.  If the males in the family hold such prejudices, it is 
> > entirely possible that the females do as well.  There's no way 
of 
> > knowing what would happen to a woman who chose to marry a non-
> > pureblood wizard.  She would probably be disowned, but that is 
no 
> > different than what happens to Tonks' mother.  Narcissa Malfoy 
> > probably chose to marry a pureblood wizard based on her own 
> > prejudices not necessarily those of her family.  And inversely, 
if 
> a 
> > wizard chose to marry a non-pureblood witch, he would also 
> probably 
> > have been disowned.  It is not only the women who might have 
been 
> > pressured into marrying against their will.  In order for a 
family 
> > to remain "toujours pur", both the witches and the wizards would 
> > have to marry only purebloods.
> > 
> 
> KarentheUnicorn's Reply:
> Yes, I though of that actually, But still, the point I was making 
> was about the gender friendly way everything is supposed to be 
> balanced, if say, you are a pureblood woman, and have to choose 
> between the man you love and your family..well..thats not very 
> gender balanced, ok so maybe thats a family problem, but I suppose 
> the logic I was following, the wizarding world is not 50/50 
balanced 
> if this sort of thing is going on. And yes, I do see that the 
> children like Belle have been brought up and believe just as 
> strongly as the men, I was just making the point that not everyone 
> would be that way, so, their is a strong gender bias even in the 
> wizarding world....I think that was sorta..what I meant by 
that....I 
> think most of my post was basicly to show that even though its a 
> nice though that the wizarding world is sorta this balance woman 
man 
> thing, There are still just as many issues as the regular muggle 
> folks have.

Alisha:
I'm still a little confused as to why you think it would only be the 
women who might be forced to choose between love and family.  In 
this situation, if a pureblood wizard fell in love with a muggleborn 
witch (or just a muggle for that matter), he would also be forced to 
make that decision.  There's no indication that if a wizard married 
a muggleborn, their marriage would be tolerated because they are 
male.  The idea of pureblood supremacy is not limited simply to the 
marriage of witches, therefore it is not necessarily gender biased.


> 
> > 
> > 
> > Alisha wrote:
> > Again, I don't see this as entirely logical.  First of all, it 
is 
> > apparent that Narcissa carries at least some sway in the Malfoy 
> > household.  It was her decision for Draco to attend Hogwart's 
> > instead of Durmstrang.  
> > Also, it's possible that Molly chose to stay home with the 
> > children.  She seems a capable witch in her own right, I'm sure 
> she 
> > could have gotten a job if she chose to.  The presence of a 
> > homemaker does not always indicate a patriarchal system.  And to 
> say 
> > that since Arthur is the breadwinner he is the head of the house 
> is 
> > simply propagating patriarchal values.  That's the argument that 
> > people have used for centuries to argue male superiority.  Since 
> the 
> > man is the one who "works" he is the one to whom the female 
should 
> > submit.  The reason that men worked, historically, was because 
> they 
> > were physiologically better suited to the work that needed to be 
> > done.  It is natural in many animals as well for one gender to 
do 
> > specific work because they are physically better capable. (Think 
> of 
> > lionesses doing the hunting because the male lions' manes make 
> them 
> > too conspicuous for stalking prey.)
> 
> KarentheUnicorn's Reply:
> 
> I though they had those mane's because it made them look 
> sexy...Hay..You lion, Your not Sexy, Your lazy, you eat all the 
> food, and you bash my cubs around....hum..but you do have a cute 
> tooshie...ok, so maybe I'll hang around and raise your rotten 
litter 
> of 6 cubs...rotten man.
> 
> Well, maybe we will see that Narssie is the boss and Lucius is 
just 
> following her orders...muwhahah. I simply though she wanted her 
baby 
> boy close to home. If that is what you meant in your reply, as, 
> thats the only thing I can remember really being said about 
> her....except the comment about she looks like shes got dung under 
> her nose..teehee, If that is the statment you were talking about, 
> That is almost like a complaint of a winny rich woman, pleading 
with 
> her husband not to send her son so far away from her. I mean, in 
my 
> mind, I'm seeing her doing a Rowena Ravenclaw putting foot down 
> episode that I so comically indicated. "If you send my little 
Draco 
> all the way to that school, I will never speak to you again 
Lucius!!"

Alisha:
Regardless of how she managed to sway Lucius, she still exhibited 
some level of power in the relationship.  Lucius did eventually give 
in to her desires.


>KarentheUnicorn: I was also not trying to say that Molly and 
Aurther have anything 
> but a loving relationship, but working and earning money is 
> importaint to life, obviously the Weasley's are in need of money. 
> The wizarding world is no different there compaired to the muggle 
> world. So if they are so poor and in need of money I wonder why 
> Molly doesn't work? I'm not complaining about it, or, saying shes 
> wrong, so please, I hope nobody is getting offended and saying I'm 
> using a male point of view..since..um..I'm a girl. I was just 
using 
> my power of observation to point out, Even though it is being said 
> that the wizarding world is balanced 50/50, well, their are still 
> examples of the same muggle system....Be it by choice or forced.

Alisha:
The thing is, /someone/ had to stay home with the kids.  In a family 
as large as the Weasley's, it's only possible for one parent to work 
outside the home.  The fact that it is Molly and not Arthur who 
stays home could be indicating merely that Molly prefers to stay at 
home.

> 
> > Alisha wrote:
> > This is only one version of the story of Merlin.  When it comes 
to 
> > legends, there are no "facts", only interpretations.
> 
> KarentheUnicorn's Reply:
> 
> Meh..um...Generally, wouldn't that also be the case in 
> any "information" JLR might put in her books about Merlin. But, 
> thats just compairing a story, to a story..since..well, last I 
> checked..the potter universe was...under a great deal of 
> interpretation right now. So, anything we say about, Merline, 
Rowena 
> Ravenclaw, Salizar Slytherin, is actually, one version of our own 
> idea of the story, and until JKR gives us facts...I will submit 
that 
> it is all open for interpritation.
> > 

Alisha:
That's true, but the "facts" you presented about the legend of 
Merlin do not appear in Rowling's story, so there's no indication 
that they are facts in her universe.


-Alisha