The Iron Fist of Will - additional thoughts Re: Possessing the possessor,

[M.Clifford]

No: HPFGUIDX 142453

I am starting this on a fresh page, because I think I might have heaps
of rambling to do as well as a bit of raving the listees that
introduced this inspiring theory.

I hope all those that have acknowledged the excellence of Neri's post
and are now considering Harry!crux as a possibility, and those who
just can't quite get there will alike enjoy the sheer vastness of the
field Possessor!Harry opens up for speculation. Rave rave rave .. I
love it.. lets build a boat! <bg>


As I said, briefly, in my previous post on this thread, we are with
this inspiration able to speculate on what might happen if Harry walks
Voldemort's body through he veil. And for me, just glimpsing the
possibility of a reunion with Sirius is enough, I grasped it two-handed..

Oh and speaking of two handed... Possessor Harry translates
excellently into either must die by the hand of the other if we
interpret the meaning of 'hand' to be the hand of their respective will.

First lets look at what happens when Voldemort possesses Harry in the MOM 

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OOtP, The only one he ever feared. - "....[Harry] knew he was dead..." 
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There's that word! Dead! Harry 'dead' by Voldemort's hand,
specifically the 'hand' of Voldemort's will. It is a mystery that has
haunted me since OOtP, and I think some others among us also wonder,
what does that mean? If Harry was *dead* the instant Voldemort
possessed him.....?

IMO the mystery is solved in a flash by a simple application of
Steve's theory of the final battle. Voldemort possesses Harry and
Harry possesses Voldemort right back. 

See how simple that was? Either just died by the hand of the other. 

I can't believe this is the first time I've thought of it!

Now the last line of the prophecy is not so case simplex.. we need to
apply some character interpretation to it, but Dumbledore did lead us
in that direction in HBP -

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If Voldemort had never heard of the prophecy, would it have been
fulfilled? Would it have meant anything?
....
Harry, Harry, only because Voldemort made a grave error, and acted on
Professor Trelawney's words!
....
Of course you've got to! But not because of the prophecy! Because you,
yourself, will never rest until you've tried! We both know it!

HBP Horcruxes  
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In the event that Harry and Voldemort become locked in this battle for
possession of their own life and will, neither can live while the
other survives. First simply because Harry will die if Voldemort
possesses him again. This time around Voldemort won't risk leaving it
to someone else to do the job for him, he'll have a plan to kill Harry
without delay, before Harry can use his Heart to drive LV out. But if
LV doesn't count on the unique powers that he has endowed on Harry
when trying to kill him then he will not have reckoned on Harry
fighting back with his Iron Fist of will and accidentally possessing
Voldemort in the process, and in the event of that, I am sure, Harry
will quickly choose to die, Voldemort cannot live if Harry survives
because Harry just wouldn't choose to survive with Voldie in him. 
This is how I like to interpret it.

There are a couple of directions this can go. Harry can tell someone
to kill him. Avada Kedavra, it's over.. or he could get Voldie through
the veil, my personal favourite.

Once through the veil, in the land of the dead, it could be possible
that one of them can escape with their lives. Only one body through
the veil, only one death. I see a couple of scenarios, one I like
because it continues the action on the oher side of the veil and the
other I like because it makes a little more sense.

The first on is that on the other side of the veil Voldemort and Harry
can still be locked in battle for the one life left between them.
However, Harry has many friends in the underworld, and Voldemort
equally as many enemies. Voldemort being without love, and without
friends is powerless there, he is at the mercy of the people he has
killed in his life (like the wand shadows). It stands to reason that
whether Voldie is given mercy or retribution, he has no chance of
leaving. If one of them is to go home then it will be Harry by order
of the army that will rally behind Harry and help him to get Voldemort
to stay. One thing I don't like about this is that it offres only
*another* fleeting glimpse for Harry at the people he has loved and
lost, he won't get to speak to his parents, and he won't get to say
goodbye to Dumbledore. 

The second one I like better because as I said, it makes more sense in
some ways, and even better, it gives Harry *time* with his family and
friends! In this scenario Harry takes Voldemort through the veil and
Voldemort is instantly dead and gone forever. But Harry is shocked to
discover that he is not! Harry is *something else* because he came in
*inside* Voldemort. A bit confused about what to do next Harry
remembers that Sirius is here, and he decides that he'll ask Sirius
for help. Sirius appears at his side instantly, bringing some friends
with him. The thing I don't ike about this one is that there is NO
action! It's a cool sentimental moment, but I just don't think that
will be enough..


Okay Just for good measure here's my third and favourite (yet
fanficcy/fantasy) version, not logical entirely, but it has all the
elements I wish to see.

Harry takes Voldie through the veil and Voldie still has some kind of
fight in him, Harry needs help to make it stick. He remembers he is
with Sirius and calls to Sirius for help, Sirius turns up immediately
with Harry's army who help Harry to overcome Voldemort in a
magnificent final battle behind the veil.

When Voldemort is overcome and dead for good, everyone is astonished
to discover that Harry is not dead, he can't stay. This is a
bittersweet moment because Harry finally reunited with his parents
discovers that he will not be able to stay with them because he is in
a state of limbo and they are properly dead, and they also discover
that Harry can't get back out without a body that has come through the
front door. Naturally noone wants him to take Voldemort back and noone
wants Harry stuck in eternal nothingness. SO his only way out is to
take Sirius with him.

Valky
reclining with a satisfied smirk - it couldn't be more perfect.
<g>