Possessing the possessor, not Horcrux!Harry

Szehms zehms at aol.com
Thu Nov 3 21:23:59 UTC 2005


No: HPFGUIDX 142462

Steve <bboyminn at y...> wrote:
> <snip>
> I could picture the final struggle between Harry as a test of 
> wills very much like the Brother-Wand-connection in GoF. In the 
> Final Battle, Voldemort has Harry down and weak, as a last 
> gesture of dominance or perhaps to gain the upper hand in battle 
> or perhaps to protect himself as he did in OotP, Voldemort 
> possesses Harry. Harry fights the possession with every ounce of 
> strength he has, he is determined to not be controlled and to 
> win, even though the odds are massively against him. In the
> struggle to throw off Voldemort's possession, Harry accidently 
> turns the tables and possesses Voldemort. <snip> It's Harry and 
> Voldemort, good and evil, locked in a struggle to the end. 
> 
> <snip>
> 
> Of course, this doesn't necessarily eliminate the possibility of 
> Harry sacrificing himself. I could fit this in very nicely with 
> my speculation that the final battle will occur in front of the 
> Veiled Archway of Death. <snip> I could picture Harry taking 
> control and dragging himself and Voldemort along with him 
> through the Veiled Archway. 
> 
> Extending my Veiled Archway thoughts, I'm not totally convinced 
> that if Harry goes through the Veil, he will not come out. We've 
> discussed this before and there is mythology for people going 
> 'beyond the Veil' and returning. I could live with Voldemort 
> being dragged down to Hell by the spirits of those he killed, 
> meanwhile, Harry meets Sirius, his parents, and Dumbledore and 
> after a few tearful hugs, his parents tell him it's not his time 
> and that he has to go back, back to the land of the living. 



HARRY THROUGH THE VEIL:

I have also speculated that Harry will take Voldemort through 
the 'veil'.   I think it is clear that Harry will not defeat LV 
with the Avada curse, it is Harry's bravery, loyalty and his LOVE 
that will bring about Voldemort's demise.

IMO I think Harry will sacrifice himself by taking LV through the 
veil.

The question becomes how can Harry accomplish this without dying? 
There has been specualtion about Harry's "odyssey" through the 
underworld, IMO once through the veil one cannot return, so 
the 'possession' angle is intriguing, Harry can enter through the 
veil and still be able to return to his human form.

But I have often pictured this scenario:

Nagini is with LV in this last scenario, LV unaware that Harry has 
destroyed his previous 5 horcruxes, is confident he can kill Harry.  
Nagini is the last horcrux and is destroyed-  I imagine with the 
help of Snape who may die or be seriously injured as a result of 
this confrontation.
With the death of Nagini LV realises that all of his horcruxes are 
destroyed as he is reduced to his ghost like form (reduced yet 
again to the meanest ghost), DD mentions this form on p. 509 of 
HBP, here LV still has his magical powers and brain in tact.

I think possesion of Harry is LV's last alternative, here is where 
the power of love that Harry possess will determine the fate of LV.

Harry will make the decision to go beyond the veil sacrificing his 
life to kill LV.

However, I do not think Harry will die.

I think Harry needs to go beyond the veil, I think he needs 
closure on the deaths of all the people he has cared for, I think 
here Harry can see Sirius, Lily, Dumbledore, James...and finally 
be free of guilt, free to live a long life without 'survivor's 
guilt'.

How this can happen, I cannot say, I do think that like Lily's 
sacrifice, Harry's sacrifice may envoke ancient magic powerful 
enough to save him, can love save his life again?

I have wondered if Harry could attempt to go beyond the veil, yet 
be pulled back by another, Harry dangling half in the mortal 
world, half in the underworld.  Maybe the souls of the underworld 
can carry LV into death and push Harry back to the mortal world?

In this scenario Harry does not need to be a horcrux, he becomes 
one inadvertantly as LV possessing Harry is LV's last chance for 
survival.

I do think Harry/horcrux theories are not without merit, but I 
think that JKR interviews about the Harry/LV connection make it 
reasonably clear that he is not a horcrux.  I also think that JKR 
told us as much through DD in the Horcruxes chapter of HBP.

In the scenario where Harry is held back from fully entering the 
veil, Harry would not be alone at the MOM; if this was the case LV 
could atttempt to possess Ron or Hermione as he possessed Harry in 
front of DD in OOTP, teasing Harry, daring him to battle while in possession of his closest friends.  

At this point Harry could bargain with LV, "take me" instead, then 
because he is uniquely qualified to resist being controlled by LV 
(as he resisted the imperius curse in GOF) he manages to keep his 
wits about him long enough to go through the veil, or tempt a 
death eater or member of the Order (as DD pleaded with Snape to 
kill him for the greater good) to kill him for the good of the 
wizarding world.

Again, I think Harry's love will prevent his death somehow, I 
think his sacrifice will enable him to live.

Harry has destroyed the horcruxes and he is battling LV in the 
death chamber.  Harry realises that the only way to "kill" LV is 
to take him through the veil.

"Szehms" 








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