Destroying the horcruxes (The cave potion and soul pieces )

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No: HPFGUIDX 141158

 > Lipa:
> > This is fairly similar to what I have been thinking.
> > Dumbledore was asking to be killed, quickly.
> > My guess is that the curse from the ring and/or the
> > potion/water combination from the cave were finishing him
> > in a horrible way, dehumanizing him (Inferi, Dementors, 
> > Ghosts, ... come to mind)
> > and only timely death could save him from destiny
> > which he considered worse than death.
  
>Jen: You know, it suddenly struck me how *adventurous* (rash?) 
Dumbledore 
> was in HBP, attempting to get past the ring protections alone and 
> paying dearly for it, then drinking a potion he doesn't know the 
> effects of. Guess he really does trust Severus Snape! At least he 
> expects Snape will always be around to put the pieces back 
together. 
> I'm almost convinced that was what the fight in the forest was 
> about, Dumbeldore becoming slightly obsessed with the horcrux hunt 
& 
> Snape not wanting to continue to patch him up. It's one of several 
> possibilties, anyway.

CH3ed: 
Hi, I agree with Lipa that Dumbledore was 'pleading' for 
Snape to kill him on the Astronomy Tower. It is totally out of 
character for Dumbledore to plead for his own life. Even when he was 
suffering terribly in drinking the horcrux potion in the cave he was 
pleading to be punished in the place of others he was seeing or 
remembering in his hallucinated state. 
   I also speculate that the argument between Snape and Dumbledore 
in the forest concerned a pre-arranged pact that if such situation 
arises Snape would kill Dumbledore to save Malfoy from having to 
murder Dumbledore or be killed himself by Voldemort or his DE, and 
Snape didn't want to do it. Something similar to what Dumbledore 
made Harry promised to do before they went looking for the horcrux 
in the cave. An interesting irony.... had the potion killed 
Dumbledore in the cave, Harry would have been the person who forced 
death on him... the position Snape is now in. 
   I think Snape has turned from Voldemort forever. He has worked 
under both Voldemort and Dumbledore, and it is not hard to imagine 
that Dumbledore is a much better master. For one, he trusted Snape 
loudly, vouching for him openly on many occasions at the cost of 
inviting others to doubt Dumbledore's judgement. Trust is not 
something Snape is used to get from others. Voldemort would 
never have done that for him and Snape knows it. He knows Voldemort 
enough to know he is not being trusted (as Narcissa believes), but 
used. I doubt that if Snape is still Voldemort's agent he would have 
stood up for Dumbledore by showing his DE scar to Fudge at the end 
of book V. My wild guess (which is quite far-fetched, I admit) is 
that Snape loved Lily Evans. He wasn't all that sorry that James got 
killed but he was sorry Lily died... and that adds to the reason why 
he hated Harry so much(which makes for a very conflicted emotional 
state. Harry looks like James, whom he hated, but has Lily's eyes, 
whom he loved secretly).  
   Gosh! If this turns out to be true we might have to have Snape 
and Percy switch school houses!


Ch3ed