Trial of Severus Snape /Harry IS Snape./A cold equation (LONG)

[colebiancardi]

No: HPFGUIDX 141416

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "eggplant107" <eggplant107 at h...>
wrote:
>
> "colebiancardi" <muellem at b...> wrote:
> 
> > even Ron calls in mind-reading. 
> 
> And Ron is hardly the voice of authority on the subject, or any other
> for that matter. And Rowling who is the ultimate voice of authority in
> the Potter universe goes to some pains to explain that Legilimency is
> NOT mind reading. For Dumbledore to mentally explain to Snape
> everything that happened in the cave in a fraction of a second with
> nobody else hearing would not only be new magic but also a ham fisted
> plot invention that would make the reader feel cheated.
> 

Please re-read my post - I didn't say DD mentailly explained anything
 - I stated and I quote from my post:
"I didn't expect, nor do I, that with Legilimency you can carry on
boring conversations with one another without speaking, but you can,
as Snape tells us, extract feelings & emotions from someone else's
mind - if DD is projecting that he wants Snape to save Draco & Harry
on the tower and there is only that one opinion available to him, that
is not so farfetched."

where does it say in my passage that they were having a mental
conversation - I used the extract feelings & emotions and that DD
could be projecting.  Nothing unusual about that at all.  We've seen
it before - Harry describes Snape extracting the memory of his Potions
book in the bathroom scene, for example.  

> > TimeTurners could be thought as unfair
> > & a bit of a cop-out in PoA 
> 
> It's Rowling's book not ours, she has the right to invent new magic
> especially if it works artistically, and Time Turners work.
> 

yep - it is Rowling's book and if she has decided to invent new magic,
then she can.  And it isn't new - Pippin in post 141411 has found
canon for it mental conversations thru out the WW:

Pippin stated:

"Pippin:
This has become conventional wisdom apparently, but it's flat wrong.
Harry saw and heard complete dialogues via legilimency, real time, on
at least four occasions: twice between Wormtail and Voldemort, once
between Voldemort and Rookwood, and lastly an entirely invented
conversation between Voldemort and Sirius that Voldemort was able to
consciously and puposefully convey to Harry's mind. Dumbledore knew
about all that by the end of OOP-- do you think he'd be unable to pull
off the same trick once he knew it was possible?

Snape, of course, need only be good enough at legilimency to receive
the message-- he does not have to be able to send one by the same means."


end of Pippin's great post.  Thanks for finding that cannon!  So, it
has worked before, it is cannon and it works artistically, as no one
had problems with those scenes(at least I cannot find any issues with
them on this board).

Now, you may feel cheated by this, but others feel it is an important
plot device and furthers the *proof* that there is more to the eye, or
in this case, Harry's POV, on what happened that night up in the
tower.  It is not far-fetched at all to see that this could have
happened.  Nor is it disappointing to me, nor is it a cheesy device.   

colebiancardi