Dumbledore's pleading (longish)

lupinlore bob.oliver at cox.net
Tue Oct 11 16:45:16 UTC 2005


No: HPFGUIDX 141470

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Renee" <R.Vink2 at c...> wrote:
>
<SNIP> 

> 
> So, what DD requests from Snape is to become an "accomplice" to 
self-
> sacrifice. DD has lost his wand and can hardly move from the spot, 
> so he needs help. That is what he asks Snape when he 
says "Severus, 
> please...": "Severus, please help me to carry out this sacrifice.""
> They have discussed this possibility before, and Snape balked at 
the 
> idea of having to do it. But DD won't let him of the hook, now 
that 
> the situation has arisen where the sacrifice is required. Snape 
> hates it, as the look on his face makes clear, but he keeps his 
> promise.
> 

And herein is where this whole self-sacrifice scenario falls apart.  
The idea that Snape and Dumbledore cooked up this possibility in 
advance is thoroughly unbelievable.  I'm not saying JKR definitely 
won't do it, but to do so would be the worst kind of far-fetched 
conspiracy theory mumbo-jumbo.  For one thing it would amount to 
Dumbledore asking Snape to tear his own soul, something I don't 
think DD as he has been presented to us would ever do (and yes, I 
think that using the AK to kill DD would amount to Snape tearing his 
own soul even if it was set up in advance with DD's blessing).  It 
requires DD to foresee the future, a situation that would make him 
much more an expert at divination than Trelawney's famous great-
great-grandmother.  And it would require a communication between 
Snape and DD on the tower that would be absolutely contrived and 
unbelievable, whether they are using Legilemency, words, hand-
signals, mental images, coded eyebrow movements, foot-taps, 
whistles, bird-calls, color-coded garments, decoder rings, snatches 
of popular songs, manipulation of aetheric vibrations, fingernail 
scratching, alteration of Kirlian Auras, post-hypnotic suggestion, 
behavioral triggers encoded in mathematical variants of voice tone, 
tooth clicks, nose wagging, pre-agreed word combinations, 
astrologically encoded messages indicated by wand angles pointed at 
stars, a hidden scar on Snape's forehead, a hidden scar on DD's 
forehead, a wrinkle in time created by pre-deployment of time-
turners, mental manipulation of the Einsteinian space-time 
continuum, subtle references to the non-Euclidean geometry of the 
tower stones encoded in the arc of DD's fingertips, and any other 
form of communication, possible or impossible, magical or mundane, 
ever invented or to be invented, ever envisioned or imagined by any 
person, being, intelligence, or denizen of any planet, star, 
dimension, world, or plane of existence in any time or space or 
existance either within or without of the timestream as we do or do 
not understand it.


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