Dumbledore's pleading/What Horcruxes Dumbledore and Harry destroyed?

[nrenka]

No: HPFGUIDX 141508

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "pippin_999" <foxmoth at q...> wrote:

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> I can't see him pleading with an enemy, only asking one last favor 
> from a friend.

I take it that also excludes asking someone he thought was a friend and 
invested a great deal of exclusive trust in not to take actions harmful 
to this friend himself.  There's the BANG and the pathos.  I think 
we'll have to wait and see on this one, of course.

> JKR went out of her way to establish that several things about 
> Dumbledore's death were unusual, not least that unexplained plea. She 
> constantly refers to hints, red herrings, and that there is something 
> unexpected coming. After all that, I would feel betrayed if there is 
> nothing in Book Seven but Harry conquering Voldemort, Snape dying in 
> a corner, forgiven or otherwise, and nothing further explained.

The problem here is that JKR's idea of what things are unusual and thus 
marked and the fandom's ideas are radically divergent, the latter being 
several times the order of the former.  There's also the question of 
whether everything we perceive as irregular is meaningfully so.  We can 
find potential meaning in everything, but the class of implications 
that are realized is really quite small.  For instance, everything 
supposedly so very, very strange about the Shrieking Shack scene in 
PoA: one has to keep open the possibility that we're going to get 
some 'explanations' for that in the last book, but it also has to be 
very open that we are *not*, which then invalidates (as arguing about 
canon itself) the wackier extrapolations of strangeness, because 
there's no consequence/realization.

In fact, I think the whole "JKR is super-twisty" line of argument, 
which is practically fandom gospel, is probably overrated.  We haven't 
had anything Scabbers-class BANG-y in wot, three books or so--but PoA 
continually gets pulled up as the model to follow, rather than the 
exceptionally fine (but exceptional) twist of plotting.

I expect some things to be resolved and explained, but I suspect I 
expect more of it to stand as 'dude, just the way that things happen, 
you know', than you do, my dear Pippin.  That said, consequently my 
rate of wildly off guesses is much lower. :)

-Nora still sits in and watches the rain (and her leaking window)