Characters and Consequences? /What does Dumbledore wanted on the Tower?

[cubfanbudwoman]

No: HPFGUIDX 141823

houyhnhnm:
> > But if it was what Dumbledore wanted--for Harry to be saved even 
> > at the sacrifice of his own life--then what Snape did wasn't 
> > murder.  This point has been argued over and over and it doesn't 
> > seem to make any impression whatsoever.  
 
Alla:
> Well, the point that Dumbledore would not ask anyone to risk their 
> soul in order to help out in  his sacrifice also had been argued 
> over and over and it also does not make any impression whatsoever. 
> Maybe because those points are at the heart of the opposing 
> Snape's interpretations and they are bound not to make any 
> impressions untill JKR says so? :-)
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> I prefer to see Dumbledore as someone who would not take a risk of 
> destroying the soul of another human being, even at the time of 
> war, even if that human being soul was already hurt before.


SSSusan:
Yep, I think many of us feel we have done our best to explain our 
views, seemingly without making any impression whatsoever on the 
opposing camp(s). 

I know that the other day, I presented this argument
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/141611 :

>>>Consider that DD talks openly with Harry about what he believes 
to be the NECESSITY (or perhaps inevitability?) for either Harry to 
kill Voldy or Voldy to kill Harry. He confirms this to Harry in OoP, 
and he **doesn't** later, in HBP, tell Harry, "Gee, I hate that you 
have to do this, because you know it's going to rip your soul!"

In *my* mind, I could easily see the reason that DD does not say such
a thing to Harry (even when the topic is right there before them as
they talk about horcruxes!) as that he knows this is WAR, this is an
issue of The Greater Good. And perhaps he knows or suspects that
this kind of killing wouldn't rip Harry's soul.

Or perhaps, OTOH, DD knows that it will rip Harry's soul, but he
believes that it's WORTH it.<<<


SSSusan again now:
I mean, to me, this just screams "DD *does* believe there are times 
when one must kill."  Whether he believes that not all killing rips 
the soul *or* that sometimes ripping the soul is necessary or worth 
it, I can't yet say, but it seems clear to me.  Yet I also respect 
the fact that for other list members, they cannot reconcile a DD who 
would ask or command another to kill with the DD they believe they 
know.

No easy solution to this, I fear.  This is one of those topics which 
seems, to me, to simply divide us.  Very few people, imho, are going 
to be convinced by an argument on either side.

Siriusly Snapey Susan