Snape as the dark young man/Extra Material On Trelawney's Card Reading

[AyanEva]

No: HPFGUIDX 142019

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "M.Clifford" <Aisbelmon at h...> 
wrote:
>
> 
> Valky:
><snip really good point> 
> IMO there are a couple of methods that Trelawney could be applying
> strictly from what is available to us. The first of these is reading
> from the bottom of the deck. THis is something a tarot reader can do
> just prior to laying a specific spread. The bottom of the deck cards
> are read in as though they were a sentence. When the sentence ends 
the reader has a general overview of the impdending as it relates to 
them. An experienced reader can tell from the sentence at the bottom 
of the deck things like the theme of the reading, and whether thre is 
a clear unimpeded view of the subject of the reading or if the, lets 
call it 'vibe' for the sake of brevity, has come under unexpected 
influence during shuffling. 
<snip really good explanation afterwards>

My response:
Wow, I really can't think of anything to add to this! Beautiful 
reading, really, and it works quite well.


Valky says:
>(Snape hating Snape seeming to read his mind without
> looking at him,, obsessing about Malfoy's mission, attracting a 
crowd
> everywhere he goes) in all senses of it, 

Me now:
Slightly off topic, what do you make of Snape reading Harry's mind 
without looking at him? Is it just Harry's paranoia? I mean, JKR was 
saying the same thing about Snape looking Harry in the eye and 
seeming to read his mind in the first few books and it turned out 
that Snape was probably doing Legilimency and Harry *wasn't* being 
paranoid. I know I've probably spelled that all wrong... 

But anyway, what's up with the reading the mind without looking thing 
now? Is Harry projecting his emotions/thoughts, making it easier? 
Could that *really* be the reason that Snape tells Harry repeatedly 
to close his mind (in the scene where Snape's running away after 
Dumbledore's been killed on the tower)? I don't know really, I just 
had a sudden thought, completely unsupported by canon, that Harry's 
acting like a transmitter when he's very emotional and Snape's 
serving as a recieving antenna. *shrug* Does that make any sense at 
all? It kinda goes with Harry's "projecting a strong aura" thing.

 
Valky says: 
> They are all Swords - When swords come up in numbers like this there
> is too much air. Too much air causes instability - this can go to 
the
> point of obsession. A number of swords in a reading tend to indicate
> turmoil and overthinking. The first message to Harry (and probably 
to
> Trelawney too) is that they have unhealthy obsessions of the mind 
ging
> on right now. 

Me now:
Why air in particular? Just curious. Is this an elemental thing, like 
air/fire/etc. What does air, on it's own in a proper amount, mean?
 
<snips more of really amazing post>

Me speaking (or typing):
All of that about 4 swords being a good thing and paradoxical 
meanings is really fascinating! Thanks for posting it! It makes 
perfect sense. 

Another question for you, the paradox thing has me thinking. Would 
there be a difference had Trelawney drawn any of the cards upside 
down? Or do you only get that in a regular tarot deck? I know the 
cards that I have don't use the "upside down rule" because the 
authors believe that every card is inherently good and bad and 
there's no need to worry about which direction it faces. I'm just 
wondering if she would've mentioned that the card was the wrong 
way 'round when she drew it or if it even matters.
 

> Valky:
> The reason things don't fit well is because this 4 card question
> spread is not necessarily read with the concomitance implied here. 

My answer:
Aaaahhhh. Thanks for clearing that up! Makes much more sense now.
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Sydney said in post 141946:
>The village pub at the start of GoF is called "The Hanged Man". Then
>there's the Levicorpus spell-- that suspends the victim FROM ONE
>ANKLE-- just like the Hanged Man card. 

Me responding:
Oh yeah!! I forgot all about that, thanks! Neither the title of the 
chapter nor the Levicorpus spell clicked in my head either. I 
completely missed it.

<snip a lot of good points>

Sydney: 
>If Rowling IS following the Tarot squence, Book 7 should be a jolly
>cheerful read <snip really exciting points>

Me:
I love those themes that you mentioned. If JKR does it right, Book 7 
will be great and hopeful, but not Velveeta. I think I'm going to die 
from antici...pation.


AyanEva