Snape as the dark young man/Extra Material On Trelawney's Card Reading

[M.Clifford]

No: HPFGUIDX 142025

 
> > Valky:
> ><snip really good point> 
> > ..... Trelawney could be ...EDIT... reading
> > from the bottom of the deck... EDIT.. a tarot reader can ...EDIT 
> >  ... tell from the sentence at the bottom 
> of the deck ....EDIT..... whether there is 
> a clear unimpeded view of the subject of the reading <SNIP>
> > Harry's Aura interferes... ie Snape hating, Snape seeming to read
> > his mind without looking at him,, obsessing about Malfoy's 
> > mission, attracting a crowd everywhere he goes)


> AyanEva:
> Slightly off topic, what do you make of Snape reading Harry's mind 
> without looking at him? Is it just Harry's paranoia? I mean, JKR was 
> saying the same thing about Snape looking Harry in the eye and 
> seeming to read his mind in the first few books and it turned out 
> that Snape was probably doing Legilimency and Harry *wasn't* being 
> paranoid. I know I've probably spelled that all wrong... 

Valky:
Thanks for the compliments AyanEva. :D And I don't see any spelling
mistakes, which word did you think you'd spelled wrong? They all look
right to me. 

Okay on the Legilimency question, I have a few theories I am courting
at the moment, but I am not sure which exactly works best or whether a
blend of them is more appropriate. In one theory I am thinking that
during the legilimency lessons of the previous year, Harrry tapped
into his greatest power with which he will defeat Voldemort. He
focussed it in repelling Snape in the moment when he broke into Snapes
mind. I have a feeling that the prescence of Sirius in Harry's mind in
both this case, in the MOM when he expelled Voldemort from his body,
and then later more than once when Snape is sitting or walking by
Harry quietly, is more than coincedence. It is Dumbledore that points
us to this as Harry's love power so that is why I consider that a
possibility. In this case I think that perhaps Snape having been
exposed to this power in Harry's fifth year, has learned to wield part
of it in certain spells or has simply learned that you don't need eye
contact to read Harry because of it.

The second theory sort of expands from the first, but can stand alone.
Which is that when Harry broke into Snapes mind during the Occlumency
lessons, it was an unusual occurence, something that would not
normally occur in that exact way under the circumstances. I
hypothesise that because of this strange occurence (which could be the
prescence of Harry's distinguished Power of Love) Harry and Snape are
now 'mindlocked' for want of a better word. 

The third theory is exactly as you supposed AyanEva, which is simply,
without complication, that Harry is projecting such a strong aura that
any accomplished enough legilimens in the vicinity only needs to pay
attention to hear his head rants clear as a bell.
 
In any of the three cases there is some support in canon. There is
especially support for the third, as it is apparent even Dumbledore
can hear Harry's unspoken words sometimes. (See - in the spidery
broomshed.)




AyanEva:
> Could that *really* be the reason that Snape tells Harry repeatedly 
> to close his mind (in the scene where Snape's running away after 
> Dumbledore's been killed on the tower)? 


Valky:
You know AyanEva, it really *could* be. Of course, I'd still say
Snape's wrong and JKR is right, Harry doesn't have it in him to hide,
so he probably won't. OTOH it would make sense that Snape felt all the
more urgency to push him that way if Harry *is* projecting. (whatever
flavour Snape you prefer <g>)

 
 
> Valky says: 
> > They are all Swords - When swords come up in numbers like this 
> > there is too much air. <snip>
> 
> AyanEva:
> Why air in particular? Just curious. Is this an elemental thing, 
> like air/fire/etc. 

Valky:
Yes exactly. Air the Element. 


> AyanEva:
> What does air, on it's own in a proper amount, mean?

Valky:
Air pertains to the mind and to thoughts and logic. Hmm fascinating
how the air element fits in with themes that we are discussing above. <g>
Good air, as in a balance of it or proper amount, will lend to high
intellect, a love of learning and especially of theory. This goes
strongly to Snape, and as it happens I think that most of us,
including me, have always suspected Snape's other side (apart from
Slytherin) would be revealed to be the Ravenclaw type (which happens
to be Air), and so it has.

Just off on a tangent for a fragment I think that Snape finishes up
with this combination (I don't think, as much as we might hope it,
that Snape has a Gryffindor streak) Snape is Water/Air
(Slytherin/Ravenclaw) to save time I'll just paste something from this
site:
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/elements.html

on the Water/Air combination -

**Quote
Air and Water Type
Although you often feel pulled between intellectual and emotional
orientations of life, heavy does of Air and Water elements can make
you very much attuned to both realms of experience. Neither the
abstract nor the feeling-intuitive world is alien to you, and you are
thus able to develop a mode of operation that encompasses both types
of perception. This results in your being able to give depth to your
ideas and in your ability to gain detachment and perspective on
feelings and deeper yearnings. You are physically and psychologically
sensitive; a dreamer, an escapist, perhaps a little fantasy-prone. You
have an amazingly fertile imagination and specialized skills for
dealing with people. You know how to tune in to people, and
communicate concisely.
**end quote

A little bit Snapeish isn't it? 

The combination of Air and Water when in balance can reveal a
character capable of extraordinary detachment and perspective. Snape
as the clever double agent spy, is this. However if the water element
weighs higher you get hysterical Snape due to a lack of earth
grounding element in the mix, and when the air element gets out of
balance and weighs higher you get dry-ice bitterly cold Snape because
of the absence of fire. So you see, a fluctuating balance of water and
air elements paint the character of Snape really well, don't they?
Just FYI if you're interested in looking at these things in the
Potterverse.

 
> AyanEva:
> All of that about 4 swords being a good thing and paradoxical 
> meanings is really fascinating! Thanks for posting it! It makes 
> perfect sense. 
> 
> Another question for you, the paradox thing has me thinking. Would 
> there be a difference had Trelawney drawn any of the cards upside 
> down? Or do you only get that in a regular tarot deck? I know the 
> cards that I have don't use the "upside down rule" because the 
> authors believe that every card is inherently good and bad and 
> there's no need to worry about which direction it faces. I'm just 
> wondering if she would've mentioned that the card was the wrong 
> way 'round when she drew it or if it even matters.
> 

Valky:

There is an upside down in playing cards. Though as a general rule it
is ignored. In Tarot the upside down card can be read as obscurity to
the meaning in many senses, some say it means that the good aspect of
the card is lacking dignity from the questioner, while others say that
the good aspect of the card is elementally blocked by the questioner
(elementally as in cups=emotionally Swords=mentally). Both roads lead
to the same place really in saying that an upside down card
essentially points the questioner to something in the matter that they
may be approaching wrongly or need to change their perspective on.

The upside-down in playing cards is indicated by the suit symbol
appearing below the value symbol. The little one under the Q in queen
or 6 on a six, it points in one direction at both ends on the average
deck.

In any case, I agree wth you tha Trelawney would be likely to mention
an upside down card if it was significant to the reading. But it's
been fun discussing the alternatives with you anyway. <bg>

Valky