Snape as the dark young man/Extra Material On Trelawney's Card Reading

[AyanEva]

No: HPFGUIDX 142070

I'm not sure if I should change the subject header or not... meh. I'll
leave it.

> 
> Valky:
> Thanks for the compliments AyanEva. :D And I don't see any spelling
> mistakes, which word did you think you'd spelled wrong? They all look
> right to me. 

Me:
I'm never certain that I've spelled legilimency properly<---still not sure

> 
> Valky:
<snip>
 It is Dumbledore that points
> us to this as Harry's love power so that is why I consider that a
> possibility. In this case I think that perhaps Snape having been
> exposed to this power in Harry's fifth year, has learned to wield part
> of it in certain spells or has simply learned that you don't need eye
> contact to read Harry because of it.
>

Me:
Do you mean that Snape's "feeding," for lack of a better word, off of
Harry in order to manipulate Harry's love power for casting spells?
I'm really frustrated by my inability to determine just how powerful
Snape is...or how powerful Harry is, for that matter. All we get are
glimpses. *sigh* I just had a thought and it may relate to the
water/air discussion. Ok, taking the HBP textbook, we see Snape as
pure intellect and not a shabby amount of raw power. We see snippets
of Harry as OK intellect (I'm not very impressed), but also with what
could possibly a heck of a lot of power (If only he had applied
himself sooner!). It almost seems a balance, no? I'll delve into this
more a little further down.

Valky:
> The second theory <snip> Harry and Snape are
> now 'mindlocked' for want of a better word. 

Me:
That's fascinating! (I sound like Spock!) And that last line comes
into play yet again, (paraphrasing) "Blocked and blocked again,
Potter, until you learn to close your mind!" Now that I read it in
light of the mind-reading theory, it's pretty clear that Snape *knows*
Harry's next move before Harry makes it and Snape's NOT making eye
contact. How can he? He's running and dueling; he hardly has time for
a staring contest. That would be how Snape totally whomps Harry in
that particular duel. I mean, we know Harry can cast a shield charm
that knocks people into desks, he's dueled Lord Voldemort and got off
a few close shots, dueled Death Eaters in the DOM, but Snape just
swats him down like an irritating fly. When I was reading, I remember
being suprised at how poorly the duel went on Harry's end. I expected
a bit of a battle.

Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! Just thought of something else. Many of us have been
thinking that Snape's going to help Harry somehow or another in Book
7, maybe this theory could provide some sort of method by which Snape
can render assistance! See, we know that Voldiepoo has a connection to
Harry and can manipulate his dreams, though he seems to have been
"scared" away or oddly silent otherwise. So, if Harry and Snape are
somehow connected *without* Harry realizing it, Snape could give him
messages in the form of dreams... There's the problem of Harry not
believing them to be real, after OOTP and all, but if they're not
bloody violent dreams and perhaps if the message bearer is in the
guise of Dumbledore... Then again, Snape could just use his Patronus
that we keep getting hints about. But the dream idea is more fun.

>Valky:
> The third theory is exactly as you supposed AyanEva, which is simply,
> without complication, that Harry is projecting such a strong aura that
> any accomplished enough legilimens in the vicinity only needs to pay
> attention to hear his head rants clear as a bell.
>

Me: 
So, I'm going to assume that if Harry's projecting a strong aura, the
point at which he began to do so is in the DOM battle when he pushes
Voldie out. I can't think that it would've been prior during the
Occlumency lessons, because we would've seen from hint from Snape, I
think. This makes me want to go back and examine the end of OOTP where
Harry and Draco are fighting, Snape comes up and demands to know what
Harry's doing; Harry back-talks Snape and feels like he (Harry) wants
to kill him (Snape). Snape just gives Harry an odd kind of thoughtful
look, rather than getting angry and indignant like I fully expected
him too. I can imagine Snape thinking, "What the- ? That wasn't me! I
can hear his thoughts! Holy crap!" and completely forgetting to get
mad at Harry's audible and mental comments because he's so sidetracked
by this revelation.

  
Valky:
 In any of the three cases there is some support in canon. There is
> especially support for the third, as it is apparent even Dumbledore
> can hear Harry's unspoken words sometimes. (See - in the spidery
> broomshed.)
> 

Me:
So perhaps Dumbledore, being more powerful than Snape, sensed the
projection first even when it was very weak. Snape picks up on it only
later when it's stronger. But it still seems to me that Snape could
hear *more* of Harry's thought by the end of HBP than Dumbledore. Or
maybe what we saw was Snape actively listening, while Dumbledore
listened more passively?
 
> 
> Valky:
> You know AyanEva, it really *could* be. Of course, I'd still say
> Snape's wrong and JKR is right, Harry doesn't have it in him to hide,
> so he probably won't. OTOH it would make sense that Snape felt all the
> more urgency to push him that way if Harry *is* projecting. (whatever
> flavour Snape you prefer <g>)


Me: 
Well, I don't think Snape is saying "hide away! run!," he saying,
"hide your mind so Voldiepoo doesn't know your gameplan." I think it's
more a case of having a sound battle plan, then it is a "save your own
hide and withdraw" kind of thing. Snape's advice doesn't preclude the
use of love and other powerful mental abilities that Harry might have.
Snape just wants Harry to stop "shouting" out his next move. 


> 
> Valky:
> <snip>
 Snape is Water/Air
> (Slytherin/Ravenclaw) to save time I'll just paste something from
this> site: http://www.astrology-numerology.com/elements.html
>  on the Water/Air combination -
> <snip>
> A little bit Snapeish isn't it? 
>

Me:
It's very Snapish. Which leads me to my next inquiry, and this ties
into the Intellect versus Raw Power question that I had above. I think
Harry is Fire/Water. I can't find anything on what happens when you
put Fire/Water with Air/Water... Wah. I don't know how to read these
things nearly as well as you (I don't know how to read them at all!).
I know the following few sentences are stating the obvious, but bear
with me, there is a point at the end! I think that Harry has the
ability (power-wise), but not the knowledge (to get the horcruxes and
defeat Voldiepoo). Snape has the knowledge but, for any number of
possible reasons, lacks the ability or is prevented from utilizing
said ability. Harry's willing to jump in and get things done, Snape
thinks things through and eases his way in. I think both methods are
going to be needed in the final battle(s). What I'd like to know is if
the elemental signs of the two will give us any insight on how
feasible it is for them to work together and what sorts of things each
person would bring to the table, should they end up working together
at some point (indirectly or otherwise), that is.


AyanEva *yawns and wanders off to bed*