Keep Harry Horcrux Free Challenge!

[M.Clifford]

No: HPFGUIDX 140187

 
> Saraquel proposes:
> <snip.>
> > If Harry was a Horcrux....... that piece of soul
> > would have been really trying to suck the life out of him and 
> > bring itself to life.........
> 
> >Sandy Counters:
> >I credit Voldemort's inability to drain, or even influence Baby 
> Harry, to remnants of Lily's protective magic.
> 
> Saraquel replies:
> But just because Lily's blood protects 
> Harry, it does not necessarily mean that he is a Horcrux.

Valky:
True, but it does, give enough canon reason to establish that Harry
could be a Horcrux, and not be possessed by Voldemort. I do believe
this is enough to satisfy the question, right? 

So Harry stays at Privet drive 100% of the time, Why?
Which leads me to my other counter argument.

> >Valky said:
> >Two words.. Dudley Demented. <snip>

Valky again:
Harry goes nowhere with the Dursleys' *ever*. The mere mention of
Harry coming along to Dudley's eleventh birthday incites him into a
tantrum.. I-I-I d-don't want h-h-im to come! Harry notes that Dudleys
tears are fake at this time and that it had been years since he
*really* cried. Dudley could just screw up his face and wail anytime
to get what he wanted. OTOH the fact that Harry can remember a time
when Dudley might have really cried, years ago but fails to remember
any reason why just sits uncomfortably. Dudley seems to relish seeing
Harry mistreated by his parents, but he draws the line at going away
from the house with Harry. 

Yes I grasp at thin air, but something has to explain these unanswered
questions.. What terrible memory did Dudley have with the Dementors,
what has he *really* cried about before that Harry can't actually
remember, does it have anything to do with Harry being away from
Privet Drive in a place other than Mrs Figgs? (another thing he can't
remember ever having experienced) why does Harry recognise Tom Riddles
name as though it were a friend he had when he was very young and long
since *forgotten*, Harry had never had any friends, *Dudley* had made
sure of that.


> Saraquel:
> Harry needs protecting from a great many things. That DEs were  
> active after Voldemort's demise is clear from the attack on the 
> Longbottoms, and of course Harry definitely needs protection after 
> Voldemort has returned.

Valky:
Dumbledore says that he knew the great risk to Harry was Voldemort
returning to full power. He didn't know when and didn't specify how,
indeed he didn't really know how. But he expected it, and he was right
to imagine any number of ways Voldemort could have done it, we have
already seen two, Horcrux Harry is only one more. 


> Saraquel:
> I bow to the logic or your arguments, and take the hit.  A mere 
> trifle I assure you, a flesh wound only, for you have stated the 
> counter argument for me Valky, thankyou – the connection, by your 
> disconnection arguments, cannot be through a horcrux, which does 
> imply something other than that being involved.  And my argument is, 
> if that is the case, why does Harry need to be a horcrux as well?

Valky: 
As I said, to explain other things. Not least of all, why the prophecy
might actually be declaring Harry to not truly be alive. 
Neither can live does imply that neither are actually *truly* alive,
doesn't it.

My argument is that the elements we are given for Godrics Hollow..
Avada Kedavra, Horcrux, scar, powers tranferred, connection, love
residing in the skin.. don't bond together in one place they don't all
belong to the same set so why not have more than one result.

 
> Valky countered:
> OTOH, one can remove the scar from the question, and yet postulate
> that Harry is possibly a Horcrux. We have seen the scar shape on a
> Horcrux before, 
> 
> Saraquel replies:
> Have we? I think the Ring was cracked, it gave no indication in my 
> memory of being necessarily in the shape of a lightening bolt.

Valky:
I don't recall it in the text, no. I am mostly referring to the
illustration of the Ring on the spine of the HBP book. It may or may
not be canon, but I think it's possible JKR will have insisted the
lightning bolt shape be removed from the illustration if it was *all*
wrong.

> 
> Valky countered:
> and Moody evidently believed that there were possible
> indications of Harry being susceptible to possession by Voldemort.
> 
> Saraquel replies:
> Who is not vulnerable to such a thing?  Maybe only DD was immune. If 
> Voldemort wants to possess you, Voldemort will, IMO.

Valky:
Granted. This was a very weak attack. 

> 
> Valky countered:
> There is also the Silver instruments, which Dumbledore used to
> conclude that two Snakes were in essence divided. 
> 
> Saraquel replies:
> I think you are assuming the two snakes represent Harry and 
> Voldemort.  My reading is that they are the first clue that DD has 
> that Voldemort has made a horcrux of Nagini.  In essence divided, 
> but actually from the same source.

Valky's tries to dodge the Tarantallegra from Saraquels wand, and ends
up flat on her back, legs flailing helplessly in the air:
Yes, it brings in an assumption that isn't necessarily true. There's
only one thing for it -  "Finite" says Valky swishing her wand up at
her fastmoving feet - You have this one, it is ever likely to be the
evidence Dumbledore based his assumption that Nagini is a Horcrux on.

> 
> Valky countered:
> And there is the chance that a Horcrux was made at Godrics Hollow, 
> so hence the very real chance that it ended up in the wrong 
> body/container.
> 
> Saraquel replies:
> JKR has specified that the AK curse was used, and we know that 
> another spell is needed to create a Horcrux.  First the murder, then 
> the Horcrux. Voldemort was in no state to cast the Horcrux spell.

Valky:
If we assume that all of a ritual making of a horcrux happens *after*
the soul split, which we can't. So this is a fence seat if I ever saw one.

Saraquel: 
> Valky countered by dodging the hex and pointing out that Horcruxes 
> are in the mix and we should consider them. Yes, we should consider 
> them, but I do not yet believe it is *necessary* for Harry to be a 
> Horcrux for the plot to resolve. 

Nor do I. But I do find it hard to wend a path towards a final
showdown scenario without ending up at Horcrux Harry. It can only
continue to be the reason for ignoring good conclusions for *so* long. 
If it continues to surface without any direct solicitation, then I
might have to just accept it. 

<g>
Valky