[HPforGrownups] Re: OFH SNAPE was: Script from JKR's reading/ About Snape and Dumbledore

[P J]

No: HPFGUIDX 157048



wynnleaf,
>No, I don't think we were reading different books -- maybe just
>different posts.  I was concerned at first that perhaps I had
>actually said that Snape did everything DD told him to without input
>or question.

PJ:

My mistake.  The "without hesitation" cleared that part up for me nicely.  
It was the without question that I've heard more than once which rankled. 
<shrug>



wynnleaf:
>By the way, I note that you don't comment on the disposition of
>Snape toward DD that he would seem to rather die than AK
>Dumbledore.  As I said at the end of my last post, this, more than
>even the other actions which indicate great commitment, seems to
>indicate a strong commitment to Dumbledore personally.  After all,
>it seems odd that Snape would actually argue with Dumbledore over
>Snape not wanting to AK Dumbledore, which would result in Snape's
>death, if Snape actually disliked Dumbledore.

PJ:
I didn't comment on it because I don't believe it for a minute but it's 
pretty difficult to prove a negative.


Wynnleaf:
>And even if the
>forest conversation was not about that, if DD's "please Severus" was
>having to plead with Snape to AK him, that clearly indicates that
>Snape didn't want to AK DD.  And *that* means that Snape would
>rather choose to die than kill DD, even with DD telling him to do
>it.  That's really hard for me to believe if Snape dislikes
>Dumbledore.

PJ:
IF, IF, IF.... Sorry but I see nothing in canon that "clearly indicates" 
anything of the kind. The whole thing from start to finish won't be fully 
explained to anyone's satisfaction until the next book and until then *any* 
meaning we attribute to that scene is pure supposition... On my part as 
well!

All that canon gives us about Snape in that scene are the dry facts.  Snape 
strides onto the tower, pushes Draco roughly aside, faces Dumbledore with a 
face full of hate and loathing and then AK's him.  *Seemingly* with no more 
thought than when he was shooting flies in his bedroom...

Where is the momentary look of regret for having to kill the greatest 
wizard?  The torment and indecision for having to kill his protector?  The 
ANGST that *should* be mentioned, should be *seen* even if  only briefly if 
Snape truly didn't think AKing DD was a great idea?  I find none...  What I 
see is that Snape is alive and well but Dumbledore isn't...

Is it possible that Snape no longer needed Dumbledore's assistance with his 
plan?  Is it even possible that Dumbledore had become more of a liabliity 
with his sudden interest in Horcruxes than helper in the "great plot"?  I 
think it should be considered...

PJ







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