The Train Scene GoF / Draco's Crying (long)

[quick_silver71]

No: HPFGUIDX 162586

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "horridporrid03" 
<horridporrid03 at ...> wrote:
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> Betsy Hp:
> I don't see the Trio as being better than Draco either.  They're on 
> the right side of this particular war, but that was luck of birth 
> rather than any noble instincts on their parts, IMO.  And that the 
> Trio aren't going through the same sort of self-defining struggle 
> Draco is going through in HBP suggests that Draco will arrive at a 
> morally stronger position than at least Ron or Hermione. (Unless 
> Harry drags them along on his journey which... hey! He probably 
will! 
> Hope is reborn!! <g>  And I'm deadly serious about that.)

Quick_Silver:
Excellent points and I find myself in agreement with a lot of what 
you're saying. As for Draco being morally stronger then Ron or 
Hermione after his struggle in HBP...interesting...I can't say that I 
disagree with you, indeed it's a very good point. Especially when you 
consider how little Ron and Hermione seem to have done in HBP to 
advance their..."standing" in the good side (at least Harry nearly 
foiled Draco's plot).
 
>Betsy Hp:
> What bothers me about this scene is that (a) it's never revisited.  
> Harry (our hero) hasn't yet felt bad about his behavior, and at 
this 
> point I'm not sure that he will.  And (b) so many readers seem to 
> think such behavior is okay.  Which, considering we're grownups, 
> makes me a bit nervous about the kids out there.  I don't like that 
> decency seems to have gone out of style.

Quick_Silver:
Two points here...I think partly JK may be tying in Harry's reaction 
in that scene to the overall character flaw that Harry has of being 
reckless, hot-headed, heavy with the wand, etc...basically all the 
things that Snape moans about. Secondly for Harry regretting that 
scene specifically, I don't think he'll regret that scene 
specifically unless it somehow comes up. On the other hand I think 
that Harry will specifically regret the bathroom incident because (if 
I remember correctly) he still gets a guilty squirm months (or is it 
weeks?) later. 

>Betsy Hp:
> So, I'm not sure that book 7 will have Harry thinking back to the 
> train scene in GoF and regreting his behavior once Draco was down.  
> But perhaps there'll be a moment where he could behave in such a 
way 
> again, and this time he chooses not to?  And um, explains to Ron 
and 
> Hermione why he's hesitating?

Quick_Silver: 
I actually hopes that doesn't happen because I think there's no need 
for Malfoy to be down in front of Harry...Harry is the only person 
(aside from Malfoy obviously) that show the choice Malfoy made on the 
Tower. That at least deserves a handshake between the two of them in 
my mind.

Quick_Silver