Harry Draco and bathroom.

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"justcarol67" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

Me:
>>It's just a pity Harry hadn't killed
>> him as he had every moral right to do,
>> if he had Dumbledore would still be alive.

Lupinlore Wrote:

> Well, yes, he would. But unfortunately 
> that would have led to Harry being in Azkaban,

I don't see why, even in the wizard world self defense is not a crime.
According to the law Draco is the one who should go to Azkaban for
life not Harry.

> On the other hand, there IS a situation
> where one can, I think, argue pretty 
> strongly that wrong-headed compassion 
> messed up everything, and that is the
> situation with Wormtail in PoA.

Yes I agree. As I've said before, of all the mistakes Harry has made
in 6 books that was the worst.

SisterMagpie Wrote:

> Voldemort's "duel" with Harry is a sham, like
> a cat playing with a mouse before he kills it. 

A sham!? Harry won that duel with Voldemort!

> He's a boy fighting with another boy in school. 

One boy is attacking another boy without provocation with one of the 3
worst spells known to the wizard world, a spell that can permanently
disable its victims and make them wish they were dead. This is not
playtime, this is life and death, and I see no reason Harry should
give the well being of a thug like Draco ANY consideration.

> Harry was not a split second away 
> from being killed or made insane. 

It sure seemed that way to me and from Harry's point of view it must
have seemed even more intense. And if Harry had not successfully
defended himself and had received the curse how could Draco let him
live and tell what had happened? It would mean life in Azkaban for
Draco. Harry might have just disappeared with no body ever found.
Perhaps Draco wouldn't really have done that, I don't know, but I'll
tell you one thing, it's not unreasonable for Harry to think he might,
not unreasonable at all. I certainly wouldn't bet my life that Draco
would do the right thing, I'd rather just blast the SOB. 

> Being hysterical in war can be a weakness too.

Yes but that's not Harry problem, he always seems to know what do to
in a emergency and if Draco lost a few pints of blood as a result well
boo hoo.

> Not that Harry is fighting a war in the bathroom. 

Both came very close to killing each other, looks like a war to me.

> Nor has anybody said anything about Harry
> not doing anything hard or being a goody-two-shoes. 

When Harry entered that bathroom if he didn't have his full
concentration on protecting himself, if he gave even one thought to
the well being of his attacker then he is a hopelessly wimpy
goody-two-shoes who doesn't deserve to be leader of the DA, or even
leader of the Hogwarts Stamp Collectors Club.

Justcaro Wrote:
         
> A Crucio requires a downed or helpless
> or distracted opponent

Victor Crumb, just a boy, used the spell effectively against Cedric
Diggory and he was not helpless downed or distracted.

> It also needs to be sustained by the
> desire to inflict pain 

And Draco probably does enjoy inflicting pain, at any rate I'm certain
Harry believes he does.

> which is why Harry can't do it and why 
> it didn't work as a weapon against Bellatrix
> even though she wasn't expecting it. 

I don't know why people keep saying that. Harry's spell wasn't perfect
but what spell is the very first time you try it? Harry's spell was
good enough to make Bellatrix scream and stop that stupid baby talk.

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