Love and Vengeance (WAS: The Dursleys and Being Nice and Civil)

[dumbledore11214]

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> SSSusan:
<SNIP>
> I think this is the extra step I had not included in my vision for 
> the ending.  IOW, it's not *just* sacrificial love – or an act of 
> sacrifice made out of love – it's the REJECTION of vengeance, as 
> well, which would make Harry's action so extraordinary.  
> 
> Some people pooh-pooh Harry's purity of heart, but it's one of 
those 
> things that JKR has given us which I buy into wholeheartedly 
(pardon 
> the pun).  There is purity of heart in Harry.  NO, he's not 
perfect -
> – purity of heart does not equal perfection, imo -- but he has a 
> purity of heart which has manifested itself numerous times.  So 
how 
> *could* purity of heart & a thirst for vengeance coincide?  It's 
an 
> excellent question and perhaps the CRUX of things for 
understanding 
> JKR's worldview, no?

Alla:

I don't know if they cannot be together though, love and vengeance, 
I mean. Let me try to explain and if I start rambling, let me know, 
OK? 

I read Debbie's wonderful post and I am fully with her and with you 
too, I guess that Harry will not kill Voldemort. He just won't. We 
also don't know for sure that Dumbledore killed Grindewauld, because 
the card says " defeated", right? So, whatever happens, Harry will 
not be the killer, BUT do we have any doubt, I mean REALLY does 
anybody have any doubt that by the end of book 7 Lord Voldemort will 
be no more?

So, Harry will not commit murder, but something will eradicate, 
destroy Voldemort SOMEHOW, right? I mean, maybe some readers think 
that Lord Voldemort will triumph at the end, then my argument will 
make no sense at all for those readers, I guess.

Therefore Lord Voldemort will get what is coming to him, even though 
Harry may even feel some pity for the boy who was once Tom Riddle or 
something like that.

So, IMO we will get both things, mercy and sort vengeance form of 
justice.


Same thing with Snape - now if you believe that he is a good guy, 
then Harry will discover that he was wrong all over again about poor 
Severus and will pity him and forgive him and will go his merry way 
to deal with Voldemort, or something like that.

I have faith in JKR's writing abilities, I am sure she can pull off 
even such scenario well ( even though it is indeed truly not my 
favorable one), BUT if you believe that Snape needs to get what is 
coming to him for many bad deeds he committed during his life time, 
as I definitely do, I don't see that Harry's forgiveness and Snape's 
punishment should be mutually exclusive.

So far, JKR had not let me down in providing SOME kind of 
comeuppance to all characters that I consider either bad guys or 
those who committed some sort of bad deeds, I don't see why Snape 
would be an exception. IMO of course.


I am sure that Harry will not kill Snape, that is IMO is a given, I 
don't even think that Harry will cast any Unforgivables on Snape, 
BUT I also think that at some point in book 7, Snape WILL stand 
absolutely powerless at Harry's mercy  AND I think Snape will hate 
it very much. That would be SUFFICIENT for me to see Snape powerless 
even for a brief moment in time ( for all six years of Harry being 
powerless in front of Snape), you know, maybe at this point in time 
Harry will already know that he is going to forgive Snape for 
whatever reason, but Snape will not know it and as I said will hate 
it.

So, after that moment, if Harry gives Snape forgiveness, I would 
think that justice was served, you know. :-)

As I mentioned, another favorite form of justice for Snape to me 
will be Lily's host appearing and giving him a nice lecture how he 
treated Harry all those years, that is if LOLLIPOPS is true of 
course.

That would not be even justice served by Harry, he may have already 
discovered that Snape is really a fluffy bunny :-) and still it will 
be sufficient for me.


 
> Will eat the necessary crow later if necessary, of course.
> 
> Siriusly Snapey Susan

Alla: 

Oh me too, me too of course. We should exchange recipes. :-)

JMO,

Alla