ESE! Snape or not WAS: Re: Cheating

dumbledore11214 dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com
Thu Jan 12 20:45:28 UTC 2006


No: HPFGUIDX 146326

> Amanda:
>    
>   IMO: I do not think that Snape is ESE. Of all the wizards, DD is 
the one whose word I would trust the most. I believe he would take 
care in taking an 'ex-Death Eater' under his wing. If SS used 
occlumency, DD would know. DD can tell when a memory has been 
modified/etc. In addition, in every book, we see SS coming to the aid 
of Harry/DD. 

Alla:

Well, even though personally I am rooting and hoping that ESE!Snape 
will emerge, I doubt that this is what is going to happen. Although I 
will keep hoping till book 7 will come out. :-)

Nevertheless, I absolutely think that OFH!Snape IS a strong 
possibility. At least half of your examples could be interpreted as 
evidence for OFH!Snape too. IMO anyways.

Amanda:    
>   1. SS/PS - Countercurse on Quirrell's magic on HP during the 
game. Helping DD protect the stone with potions obstacle.

Alla:

If Snape indeed values Dumbledore protection and does not want to go 
to Azkaban, it seems perfectly reasonable to me that it makes no 
sense to him to kill Harry right under Dumbledore nose OR despite 
Snape's allegiances, Life Debt Magic came into place (as Neri so 
brilliantly postulated in so much detail) and Snape felt compelled to 
get rid of the debt to James by saving Harry. In that scenario Snape 
can be good or evil and still wanting to get rid of the Debt in any 
event, IMO.

Amanda:
>   2. CoS - HP used SS's potions for making 'polyjuice' potion.

Alla:

They used ingredients, not potions, no? And I don't remember Snape 
WILLINGLY giving them those ingredients. :-)


Amanda:
>   3. PoA - Standing in front of HP/RW/HG putting himself at risk of 
werewolf!Lupin. I have always found it interesting how SS just 
happened to be in the area HP was in to catch him wondering the HUGE 
castle at night, Lupin right behind him

Alla:

But that is in  the movie, not in the book.

Amanda:
>   4. GoF - Was right beside DD and ready for helping when HP was 
with Moody!Crouch Jr. with truth potion ready.

Alla:

Because Dumbledore ordered him too? Don't get me wrong,Snape showing 
Fudge the Dark Mark could be the evidence for Good!Snape and that is 
what I used to think too, but it also can mean nothing IMO.

Amanda:
>   5. OoP - Continually giving the Order information on LV.

Alla:

Isn't that interesting though that we don't know at all what 
information Snape was giving to the Order on Voldemort in OOP? Unless 
I forgot the canon references, if so could you please point me to it?
But if we believe Snape in Spinner's End ( and I more often believe 
him than not depends on my mood :-)), he gave to Voldemort 
information about the Order members which lead to their deaths and 
while of course one can argue that Kreacher was a primary villain in 
engineering Sirius' death ( although I can totally see Snape going to 
Voldie or Malfoy independently), there is NOTHING in canon as far as 
I can remember to even suggest that anybody else can be guilty in 
the  murder of Eveline Vance.


Amanda:
>   6. HBP - Why would SS have an argument w/ DD at the edge of the 
forbidden forest saying 'I want out'. I strongly believe that SS told 
DD about the UV and did not want to have to go through with it and 
was arguing with DD on what to do. He is continually trying to get 
information from Draco as to what he is doing.

Alla:

I don't have my HBP with me, but I thought Snape was saying that he 
does not want to do it anymore. There are multiple possibilities IMO 
what that was in reference too, including Snape not wanting to spy 
anymore, not wanting to watch over Harry anymore, etc, etc.


Amanda:
>   7. ??? - ***IMO***: SS and HP will have a run in, and HP will be 
surprised at the outcome

Alla:

Possibly, or Harry will not be surprised at all. :-)

    
JMO,

Alla








More information about the HPforGrownups archive