Spies, Lies and Self fullfilling prophecies

[rtbthw_mom]

No: HPFGUIDX 146659

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "pippin_999" <foxmoth at q...> 
wrote:
> Pippin:
> 
>  The plot to frame Sirius was underway before
> Godric's Hollow, from what Fudge and McGonagall say, so it's
> almost certain that Voldemort, not Peter, was behind it.

Pat:
I don't disbelieve you, but could you provide canon for this? 
> 
> Yet if Godric's Hollow had gone as Voldemort had planned,  framing
> Sirius would  have been pointless from the point of view 
> of protecting his spy --if the spy was really Pettigrew.  LV 
couldn't 
> count on Sirius not getting a chance to tell his side of things, 
or  
> Dumbledore being distracted by the need to protect baby Harry! 
> 
> Pettigrew could hardly have continued to spy on the Order after 
being
> outed as the Secret Keeper, or faking his own death, so why frame 
> Sirius at all? 

Pat:

Sorry to be so behind, but Christmas put me back and I just haven't 
caught up yet!

To answer the question here, why frame Sirius?  Because, as we all 
know, the WW was at war, and LV could have felt that the added bonus 
of framing Sirius would accomplish two things for him: 
1.  by framing Sirius, he left Pettigrew's disguise a secret, 
enabling the rat to still work for him in his animagus form, and,
2.  by 'outing' Sirius as the spy, he puts the Order in disorder: 
making everyone in the Order suspicious of each other, and thereby, 
less effective against him!

Anyway, thanks for your defense of ESE!Lupin - I've always wondered 
just where you were coming from, and you do make an interesting case 
(I'm not converted, but I'm still interested!)

Thanks,
Pat