ESE!Lupin condensed and Lupin and Sirius replies

[pippin_999]

No: HPFGUIDX 146853

> 
> > Nora:
> > Some parts of this theory can be argued for in isolation, and might 
> > make good sense. But the whole shebang? If Lupin were that 
> > unbelievably competent and lucky, he should be sitting on a 
> > tropical island of his choice rolling in dough and having hot 
> > waitresses bring him drinks.
> > 
> > Pippin:
> > The same would have to be said of Traitor!Snape.
> 
> It's not anywhere close in terms of sheer activity.  Traitor!Snape 
> has not had a finger in almost every event of evil in the books, and 
> this theory does have Lupin making that incredible run.

Pippin:
As far as Harry's concerned, Snape's had a love affair with Dark Arts 
since he was little, invented dark curses, consorted with future Death 
Eaters, called Lily a mudblood, tried to get James and his friends expelled, 
joined the DE's, sicced Voldemort on Lily and James, falsely repented,
tormented Gryffindor students, tried to get Harry expelled, got Lupin 
sacked, deliberately botched the occlumency lessons, sent Sirius to his  
death, conned Dumbledore into making him DADA professor, and
 finally murdered him. Sounds like quite a  run to me.

Nora:
 I see some nods to potential flexibility in 
> this theory's Lupin, but not much.
> 
> It's especially noticable when we come to Peter's role.  If we assume 
> that Peter *is* the traitor and the spy etc., then we have a whole 
> bunch of events that Snape is tangential to--but ones you want to 
> argue Lupin was totally implicated in.  Making Peter into the dupe 
> loads far too many events onto Lupin.

Pippin:

::shrug::  I'd give  about a 50% confidence rating to Lupin's guilt for the
Pettigrew killings, whereas I'm about 98% sure that Lupin helped Peter 
escape and killed Sirius. But I can't get over the chill that goes through
me every time I imagine Lupin about to kill his childhood friend as 
casually as you'd stomp on a bug. No "Peter, how could you?", none
of the loathing or hatred he showed just a few minutes before when
he was discussing what a louse *he* had been for betraying Dumbledore's
trust...just hasta la vista. Someone who could do that could kill
Cedric just because he was in the way of the glorious plan. But
maybe  Peter did do it, and Lupin was just there as Voldemort's
back up, in case Peter got any more brainwaves.

Only... I just don't see Peter as a killer. Maybe, if he could do
it safely, as Sirius says, without any risk to himself. A stab
in the back or a cursing someone in their sleep. 
But killing twelve people in broad daylight with a wand behind his back, 
or taking on a triwizard champion who already has his wand out, 
knowing you're going to have to beat him to the draw? If Peter can
do that, why isn't *he* on  that tropical island rollling in dough etc?

 JKR seems to have actually altered the text to make sure we
don't see Voldemort planning to have Peter kill anyone. 

http://www.hp-lexicon.org/about/books/gf/differences-gf.html

At least in the UK edition, Voldie doesn't think Peter is a 
killer either. Speaking of which...

In GoF,  Voldemort is worried about Peter running away, 
not that Peter is going to mix Draught of Living Death into 
his unicorn blood and snake venom cocktail, then transfigure
him into a rock. I don't think horcruxes would help much if
that happened.  And who is providing Voldie with unicorn blood,
if Peter must remain close at his master's side?

Pippin