ESE!Lupin condensed and Lupin and Sirius replies

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>> Neri:
>> I probably missed this last part too. I can't understand how could
>> ESE!Lupin convince himself that Sirius was a DE and why is it even
>> needed.

> Pippin:
> Goodguy!Lupin theorists have this problem too, though they usually
> gloss over it by telling themselves that Lupin didn't *really* 
> believe Sirius was a DE.

Christina:

I certainly don't.  Lupin convinced himself that Sirius was a DE
because witnesses said he killed 13 people and Dumbledore verified the
fact that Sirius was the Potters' Secret Keeper.  Simple.  It's
definitely enough evidence for a rational person like Lupin to believe.

The problem comes for the ESE!Lupin folks, because it's a lot harder
to believe that your friend killed 13 people when you were there and
you know that YOU did it, no matter how powerful your skills of denial
are.

>> Neri:
>> Umm... Barty's veritaserum confession took 7 pages in GoF, in 
>> addition to 3 pages of voluntary bragging and 2 pages of 
>> Dumbledore's explanations, to a total of almost one chapter, with
>> some questions (like Barty's part in the Longbottoms affair) still
>> left unanswered, and that was after only *one* book. I'd imagine 
>> the final confession of ESE!Lupin would take at least three 
>> chapters, smack in the middle of the Big Climax. As Pip!squeak used
>> to write, I'd recommend a cup of tea and a biscuit.

>Pippin:
>Are you seriously advancing the convoluted denouements of PoA and
>GoF as a reason *not* to expect the denouement of HP7 to be >complicated?

Christina:

Of course it will be complicated, but I think what Neri's trying to
say is that each book dedicates a certain amount of page-time to the
"big revelation" (except for, you might argue, HBP, which JKR has said
is the first half of a whole).  Since Book 7 isn't going to be longer
than any of the books we already have, it's safe to say that a similar
amount of page-time will be given to the big revelation in HP7 (if
there is one at all).  ESE!Lupin essentially goes back and re-does all
of the revelations in the previous books.  We aren't just figuring out
who the spy was (as in PoA), and we aren't just figuring out who set
Harry up in the TWT (as in GoF), we are figuring out all of these
things, again.  If took an entire chapter to explain the events of
GoF, it should take an entire chapter to re-explain those events.


> Pippin:
> 
>  JKR seems to have actually altered the text to make sure we
> don't see Voldemort planning to have Peter kill anyone. 
> 
> http://www.hp-lexicon.org/about/books/gf/differences-gf.html
> 
> At least in the UK edition, Voldie doesn't think Peter is a 
> killer either.

Christina:

The two differing "versions" of the books are a result of the fact
that JKR has two different editors.  There's no way of knowing which
version is what JKR originally had and which is the edit.  They might
both be edits.  The US version has stronger language throughout the
chapter - there are two different instances where "curse" is changed
to "murder" and "one more obstacle removed" is changed to "one more
death."  If I had to guess, I'd say that the language was made
stronger to clarify what Voldemort's plan was.

In any case, both versions are canon, and both are approved by JKR. 
If she wanted to insinuate that Voldemort wasn't planning on having
Peter kill anyone (or didn't think he'd be able to do it), then she
would have done so in both versions.  The fact that the language is
different at all is probably more of a clue that these lines *aren't*
very important.

Christina