DD trust in Snape again. WAS: Evil Hermione

[pippin_999]

No: HPFGUIDX 154694

Alla:
> Snape gives a VERY nice explanation of why he bothered to save 
> Harry's life in Spinner End. It could be of course that he is 
> playing a game, but consider for a second if what Snape says there 
> is actually the truth.

Pippin:
Okay, Snape is telling the truth and when Harry first came to Hogwarts
Snape regarded him as the new Dark Lord. Um, when did that happen?
I'm drawing a blank. :) Besides which, why *couldn't* Snape have allowed
Harry to be killed in front of him? Dumbledore wasn't there and
Snape is supposed to be so good at misleading him.

McGongall didn't come under suspicion for failing to protect Barty Jr, 
did she? All Snape would have had to do was shed a few more of 
those crocodile tears he claims to be so good at producing (and 
when have we seen any?) If Snape's character hinges on his
ability to display remorse, then JKR has let us 
down by not showing him in action. 

( I cannot resist remarking that Lupin's displays of remorse are 
very much in evidence.: And that I agree with Phoenixgod that 
remorse alone is never enough.)

Alla: 
> Isn't it interesting that Dumbledore does NOT insist at all that 
> eleven year old Harry thank Snape for saving his life?

Pippin:
When has Dumbledore told anybody they should feel grateful for
anything? The only person who tries to feel grateful because he is
obligated is Lupin, and even if you don't see him as  negatively
as I do, it doesn't sound like he's doing a very good job. Why would 
Dumbledore want Harry to feel like that?

And when has the reason Dumbledore gives been the ONLY reason
Dumbledore has? 

> 
> Alla:
> 
> But if one evaluates what Snape did to Harry as continuous 
> destruction of Harry's dignity on the day to day basis, then bigger 
> picture becomes something very different IMO.

Pippin:
Oh, if that's what Snape has been trying to do, then I agree with 
you, he should be ashamed of himself.  Very very ashamed.
He could have done it so much better. :) 

He had Lockhart running for his life in
five minutes, he reduced Umbridge to quivering shrieks in 
even less time, and in six years, day to day, he never managed 
to make Harry think of running away from Hogwarts or forced 
him to shed a single tear?

With all the damaging information Snape
gleaned in Occlumency he didn't spread one embarrassing
rumor or make one pointed allusion in class?  With all
the weapons Harry handed to him, the worst thing Snape
ever says about him is that he's arrogant?

With all the things he did to Harry, he never did anything
so terrible that Harry couldn't tell his friends about it?

The only thing that ever happened in relation to Snape that was
too terrible for Harry to discuss with his friends was something
that happened to *Snape*. And Harry's father and his friends
were responsible. 

I defy you to show me one moment when Harry's dignity 
was destroyed by Snape. The only thing that ever got destroyed
was Harry's illusion that Hogwarts was a place where
all the grownups liked him and would make it as easy as they
could for him -- an illusion Voldemort's true servants  Quirrell 
and Fake!Moody fostered with all their might. Look at 
Quirrell, telling Harry he didn't even need to study DADA, or
Fake!Moody telling Harry that he had what it took to be an
auror but never telling him that he'd need to pull his socks
up in potions if he ever expected to become one.

Pippin