DD trust in Snape again. WAS: Evil Hermione

[wynnleaf]

No: HPFGUIDX 154703



> 

> > wynnleaf
> > Well, no, in fact he doesn't.  He says absolutely nothing about 
> ever
> > saving Harry's life.  He gives Bella an explanation for why he 
> hadn't
> > murdered Harry.  They are really quite different things. <SNIP>
> 
> Alla:
> 
> Yes, so my point is maybe he was NOT saving Harry's life and just 
> not murdering him?

wynnleaf
You're saying Snape *didn't* cast a counter-spell on the broom in
SS/PS?  You're saying he didn't move the students to safety in POA? 
You're saying he didn't go with DD and McGonagall to stop
Crouch/Moody?  You're saying he didn't tell the DE at the end of HBP
to stop cursing Harry?  That he didn't notify the Order to go to the
MOM in OOTP?  

The fact is that while one can give any sort of Evil Snape *reasons*
for those things, according to the books he did actually do them.  I'm
confused as to your meaning.  First you said he gave Bella
explanations for why he saved Harry's life -- but actually he never
even mentioned saving Harry's life to her.  Then you said maybe he was
NOT saving Harry's life after all.  Clearly he did.  Is it what you
really mean that regardless how many lives Snape saves, he does it for
Evil purposes? 

> Alla 
> Of course we do not know how Life debt precisely works, but to me it 
> makes perfect sense that precisely because we don't know, it will be 
> hugely important in the resolution of the books.
> 
> So, I think Snape debt is still alive and well.

wynnleaf,
I agree that it is possible that the life debt is still in effect.  I
doubt it though.  


> > Alla 
> > > Isn't it possible that Dumbledore is right here?
> > 
> > wynnleaf
> > Never said he wasn't.  I tend to have a *great deal* of confidence 
> in
> > DD's opinions.  Harry, on the other hand, takes those he likes and
> > disbelieves those he doesn't.  Quite convenient.
> 
> Alla:
> 
> Um, not sure about Harry :), but I for example take a great deal of 
> confidence in Dumbledore's "FACTUAL' opinions and very little 
> confidence in his emotional opinions , in his judgments about 
> people, since both JKR and DD said that he makes mistakes.
>  

wynnleaf
Yes, I agree about *opinions.*  I don't necessarily think Harry should
trust Snape just because DD does.  However, in this case we're not
talking about opinions, but facts.  DD relates factual information
that Snape saved Harry's life in SS/PS and sent the Order to save
Harry and his friend's lives in OOTP.  Harry refuses to acknowledge
that.  DD also relates factual info that Snape saved his own life and
that of Katie Bell's, yet Harry will not acknowledge that either.  He
doesn't come right out and say "it didn't happen," exactly, but he
will not give it the slightest consideration in his estimation of
Snape -- so for all practical purposes, he doesn't really believe it.

wynnleaf
Suppose Snape is Evil, and since he did not give any explanation for
his saving lives in his comments at Spinners End -- then does that
mean JKR is going to have some time in Book 7 when we go step by step
through all of those lives saved (Harry, other students, DD) and get
an explanation for "why Evil Snape saved so many good guys?"  It's
hard to imagine that, since Snape's already made his excuses to Bella
and his AKing of DD supposedly will put him beyond most DE's
suspicions (one would think), that he'd need to make any more excuses
to the Evil side.  Besides, they don't even *know* about the saving
lives thing.  And it's hard to imagine him as the stereotypical Evil
Villain gloating about how he saved all these lives while he really
meant it all for evil.

wynnleaf