Harry's fate - Best of Both-Details

justcarol67 justcarol67 at yahoo.com
Thu Jul 27 23:59:12 UTC 2006


No: HPFGUIDX 156100

bboyminn wrote:
<snip>
> > I have this whole elaborate and very far-fetched theory that
Sirius is indeed trapped behind the Veil in the world of spirits, but
he is not necessarily dead back there.  <big snip>

Kemper responded:
> I can see Voldemort wanting to steal such a powerful tool.  With as
> much Death as he's witnessed (caused), I'm sure the murmuring beyond
> the Veil must be thunderous.  Or it might be a cacophony of dead and
> he would fear it.  I don't know.  The more I write about this
> possibility the more I think Voldy would be scared of what he heard
> and would avoid the veil as much as possible.  But what if Snape
> persuaded him that it would be a great idea... ?  ... That Snape is
a tricky devil.
<snip>

Steve: 
> > <snip> Perhaps after my wild and unlikely scenario plays out, and
after Sirius and Harry part bodies, they will both be weak, and will
have to be moved to the 'Room of Love' for an infusion of 'life force'.
> 
> 
Kemper:
> I agree.  I rather the Room of Love remain an unknown; it's more
> powerful shrouded in mystery than exposed for us to dissect.  But if
> it is used as you reasonably suggest, I hope the reader is left in
the dark. <snip>
> Kemper, interested in the more details... have you posted it?  If so
> what's the subject line?  (It works better for me than post number
> unless its before july 31, 05)
>

Carol adds:
I don't know if you're interested, Kemper, but I posted a posssession
theory similar to Steve's back in message 148697

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/148697

and mentioned it again in 151863

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/151863

and several other posts. I think I first proposed the possession idea
back in November and Steve added the Veil element, but I'm not sure.
At any rate, you can follow some of the threads by going here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/msearch?query=Carol+possession+Veil&pos=20&cnt=10

or just using the search terms "possession" and "Veil" (I added
"Carol" because I was looking for my own posts and because I wanted to
narrow the results to that particular discussion).

My version of the theory doesn't involve the Chamber of Love (I think
the power of Love is in Harry himself, or will be there once he
forgives Snape), but it does involve the Veil. The chief difference is
that in my theory, Harry would possess Voldemort, forcing him behind
the Veil (or LV would commit suicide, diving behind the Veil because
of the unendurable pain of being possessed by Harry). Sirius Black,
who is irrevocably dead, would ask Harry to take his body back to the
world (foreshadowed by the return of Cedric's body in GoF) by
temporarily possessing it. So Harry, who is not truly dead because
he's only possessing LV, transfers his spirit (not the same as his
soul???) to Black's body, which is now available for burial, and
returns to his own body, alive, well, and victorious.

I like this theory because it resolves the mystery of the Veil and
Sirius Black's fate (and allows him to have a belated funeral), it
involves the defeat of LV through Love and through a power that Harry
acquired from LV at Godric's Hollow and consequently fits the
Prophecy, but it doesn't require Harry to be a Horcrux or to commit
murder or to die (though, like Ron in the chess game in SS/PS, Harry
would be *willing* to sacrifice himself without actually having to
die--more foreshadowing). It also fits with the journey to the
Underworld motif, which we've seen in some form in at least three
books (SS/PS, CoS, HBP, and possibly OoP since the DoM is deep
underground).

Carol, who agrees with Kemper that Snape is tricky and thinks that
he'll somehow be involved in this scenario if it pans out







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