Snape Survey, Snapeity, Dumbledore's sacrifice.

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No: HPFGUIDX 149132

"Magpie" <belviso at ...> wrote: 

> if he trusts him, why would he plead
> for Snape not to betray him just 
> because Snape has entered the room? 

If you're incapacitated and prostrate on the floor and your tormentors
speak to your "friend" as an ally as he enters the room and your
"friend" has a look of extreme hatred as he looks at you and then your
"friend" takes out a weapon and aims it at you then it may be time to
reevaluate your friendship.   

> I see nothing tortured (in the sense 
> you're using the word) about Snape's
> look of hate being about what he's 
> being made to do *if* he doesn't 
> really want to do it.

You are on a jury, the defendant admits to shooting a man but claims
self defense, the prosecution says he killed the man for personal
reasons. You happen to have a photograph of the man's face the instant
he pulled the trigger and it clearly shows a look of hatred. Do you
conclude the man must be innocent because he "hated" doing it? I think not

> Especially after I just had a scene 
> where Harry was hating having to
> feed Dumbledore evil potion but
> doing it anyway. 

If you looked at Harry's face at that instant I believe you would see
sadness and fear and shame and revulsion, but would you see hatred
etched in the harsh lines of his face? I think not. 

> Dumbledore has a habit of making plans that don't involve Harry
knowing what's going on in just this way.  Drives Harry crazy.:-)

No, not in this way. This is very very serious business because it
could quite literally drive Harry crazy, and I include no smiley face.
Keeping this plot secret from Harry could lead to the death of a good
Snape and turn a very kind and very decent young man into a murderer.
Dumbledore has made mistakes before, but not of this magnitude.

"Sydney" <sydpad at ...> wrote: 

> Dumbledore's opinion of Snape-- "I am sure.  I trust Severus Snape
completely."  Now, lets not even ask ourselves if he has a good reason
or anything.  

I believe Dumbledore did have a good reason for trusting Snape
completely, just not good enough. I believe that 16 years ago Snape
made an Unbreakable Vow to Dumbledore to do everything he could to
protect the life of Harry Potter. 

> mabye Rowling is just not a very good writer!

I think Rowling is a great writer and if she manages to produce both a
good book 7 and a good Snape then she is a transcendental genius
because I certainly can't figure out a way. I mean, if JKR can do that
then Shakespeare would be in awe of her.
 
Me:
>>Nobody, absolutely positively nobody, has managed to come up with a
plausible explanation of why Snape murdering the best wizard the good
guys possessed helps the good guys. 

"Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:

> Yet, you offer no alternative scenario 

Yes I have, Snape wants to be number one and to do that he must
eliminate the 2 wizards ahead of him. Half the job is done and Snape
is counting on Harry to take care of the other half, he knows he's up
for the job because he heard the prophecy.

> you can propose 'fight' as an alternative

And I do.

> but the greatest likelihood of outcome is 'lose'.

Although Snape was outnumbered he was clearly far more powerful than
any of the other Death Eaters, they were scared to death of him, even
the mighty werewolf. And Snape had the element of surprise on his
side, the other Death Eaters wouldn't be expecting him to attack them.
If he killed them he could tell Voldemort that Dumbledore had done it.
And if Snape failed, well
., death is better than betraying your friends. 

>War is a terrible, horrible afront
> to humanity. [
] we simply have to
> face it with all it's horror, 
> violation, and atrocity. 

I could not agree with you more, that's why I had such little patience
when people were horrified the Harry in book 5 raised his voice at his
friends a few times. As you say this is WAR and is no time to be
squeamish. In the next book I want to see Harry do something REALLY
controversial, I want to see the self appointed guardians of the
nations morals do the only thing they do well, be outraged. In short I
want to see Harry Potter turn into Dirty Harry.

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