Lily' sacrifice v James' sacrifice WAS: Perfect Lily

[kiricat4001]

No: HPFGUIDX 150278

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "M.Clifford" <Aisbelmon at ...> 
wrote:


 No I don't mean
> to imply that these are the prophecy's three defiances, I am
> specualting only on what precisely was different about Lily's
> sacrifice compared to any other person who has died to save someone
> else from Voldemort. 
> 
> It occurs to me that, well it's actually almost a given, that
> Voldemort is his own undoing, and besides it was *his* powers that
> were transferred to Harry, not Lily's or anyone elses, so it 
stands to
> reason to say that something big was on offer in Godrics Hollow, I
> don't think Voldemorts powers donation was charitable. <g>

<snip> 
> 
> > Marianne:
> > I guess what I'm saying is that there seems to be canon that 
covers 
> > Vmort's interest in not just Lily, but the other 3 parents of 
Harry 
> > and Neville.  Maybe he was just covering all his bases even 
though 
> > he suspected that Super-Lily might be the correct mother to 
target, 
> > and thus designed a test just for her. Which would mean that she 
and 
> > James defied Vmort three times, and then Lily threw in another 3 
> > renounciations right before Vmort killed her.
> 
> Valky:
> Well yeah. But not in such a way that it was a clunking machine of
> allegorical defiance. I would rather to assume that the scene was 
very
> much more fluid and natural than that. More along the lines of
> Voldemort expecting Lily to flaunt her super powers at him, because
> he's just so worth it, you know, in the typical and narcissistic 
way
> Voldemort does things. So in some respects her last defiances come
> across more as a surprise to him than anything.


Marianne:

Okay, I have a better picture of what you're going for here.  And, I 
have to say that this last bit rings true for me.  I can perfectly 
understand Voldemort expecting Lily to flaunt her powers at him, not 
only because of his own opinion of himself and how he expects people 
to react to him, but also because it's what he would do if the 
tables were turned.  I can't imagine him ever not trying to out-
magic someone, so of course he might assume that anyone else with 
considerable magical powers would not hesitate to use them as a 
weapon.

I don't remember who suggested that perhaps what Lily had been 
studying or working at after Hogwarts dealt with immortality or 
death or research on what that portal behind the Veil led to. It's 
certainly a reason for Vmort to have more than a passing interest in 
Lily. 

Perhaps she took on a branch of magic that added something to her 
innate skills and knowledge, which, when combined with her 
willingness to sacrifice herself for her son, imbued Harry with 
something that combined or interacted with whatever powers Vmort 
inadvertently transferred to Harry, making him similar but 
ultimately very different than Vmort. I have no idea where I'm going 
with this and my head is starting to hurt, so I'll stop now.

Marianne