Hagrid and Snape: Was Snape, Apologies, and Redemption

[Tara Tierney]

No: HPFGUIDX 152910

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "lupinlore" <rdoliver30 at ...> 
wrote:
> Depends, I suppose, on whether you're willing to take people as 
they 
> are or whether you try to hold things up to some kind of abstract 
> standard.  The fact is, IMO, people just aren't going to give mean 
> people a break.  And it is not appropriate that mean people be 
given 
> a break.  They have simply forfeited all claim to such things 
> through their behavior.  And that's perfectly fair that things be 
> that way.  There is a tendency for things to balance out in the 
> great scheme of things, and the harshness with which mean people 
are 
> judged is what they are due.
> 
> Niceness, on the other hand, does get its reward in the great 
> balance wheel of things.  And getting passes is part of it.  So 
yes, 
> Hagrid gets a pass for his poor teaching.  And Lupin gets a pass 
for 
> his problems.  Snape, on the other hand, most certainly does NOT 
get 
> a pass for his abusive methods, no matter how effective they might 
> be.  That's just the way the world is.  And, in the great scheme of 
> things, it is perfectly fair and appropriate that it be so.
> 

Lunasa:
But Snape isn't that abusive, I mean, he favours his students! But 
all teachers do that! They know those kids in their house/form class 
better. That just can't be helped. And Snape isn't a bad teacher, the 
same cannot be said for Hagrid. Don't you think a stronger argument 
for Dumbledore condoning child abuse is hiring Hagrid, someone who 
never officially finished his magical training, some one who's not 
trained or equipped to be a teahcer, someone who's a not the most 
intelligent and someone who's not even meant to have a wand! Draco 
Malfoy was seriously injured in Hagrid's class. And you can't say 
that Hagrid doesn't have his prefereces. 
And I don't think Snape's even that abusive. I have a teacher just 
like him, except mines a bit of a pervert as well, but I wouldn't 
call him abusive. Snape's mean across the board.  Even to HIS 
SLYTHERINS, at times, he just happens to be particularly mean to 
Harry and Neville. I mean, Harry is downright disrespectful at times, 
and Harry is the one who needs to learn an awful lot. And,  Neville, 
well Neville wasn't even trying in  Snapes class. No teacher would 
stand for that. And are we forgetting that we're getting our peeks at 
Snape's so-called abuse from a young boy? A young boy hwo is being 
targetted by this specific teacher? Don't you think that clouds 
things a little? And has Harry actually ever complained to Dumbledore 
specifically about Snape treatment? There aren't pictures in the 
Dungeons labs are there? Not many kids are willing to go straight to 
the headmaster, or even there form teacher or head of year about a 
way a teacher treats them. They expect the school to take the 
teachers side, I know when I told my mum about one of my primary 
school teachers hitting me with some counting bricks they did take 
her side, simply because she denied it. And can you see Harry walking 
up to Petunia Dursley and having a heart to heart with her becasue 
one of his teachers is picking on him? No. 
Lunasa