Dumbledore Does Lie (Re: What turned Snape)

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No: HPFGUIDX 159022

 Mike:
>
> With regards to some of the other counter-theories: I seriously
> doubt 'muffliato' was known by either Albus or Aberforth as it was
> an HBP spell, not something disseminated at all AFAIK.
<SNIP>

Alla:

Um, Levicorpus is also HBP's spell and as Lupin says half of the
school was using it at some point. I see no reason why Snape would
not have done it in public once and sone saw it and adopted it and
somehow it reached DUmbledore or Aberworth or both. But
of course it is just speculation.

Mike:
Neither do I
> believe Aberforth catching Snape part way in and causing him to
not
> hear the rest (but waiting until Trelawney finishes before he
throws
> him into the room) would allow DD to state definitively that Snape
> didn't hear the rest of the prophesy.

Alla:

Again, why not if Albus talked to Aberworth afterwards and he told
him exactly how much Snape heard?


Mike:
<SNIP>
> But this one is plain to me. DD instructed/allowed Snape to tell
> Voldemort the first part and only the first part of the prophesy.
>
> Dumbledore was taking a big risk here since prophesies are dicey
> things to let loose (look where and what the Ministry does with
> them). But he was gaining two things. He knew Riddle/LV and
> therefore knew LV would act on it. This gave DD some degree of
> predictability in the battle to neutralize LV. This was also the
> chance to leapfrog a young Snape up into LV's inner circle. Plus
> this enhances Snape's spying credentials. And Snape now knew
> something that Voldemort most likely doesn't want known by anyone
> else, especially his other DEs. He doesn't want his invincibility
> questioned.
<SNIP>

Alla:

I would not put anything past Dumbledore recently, but I am going to
still hoping that what you describe is not what happened :-)

Sorry, Mike, but Dumbledore who deliberately puts under the threat
of possible death **unknown** couple and their baby for **any**
purpose, including placing Snape in Voldemort's inner circle is no
different than Voldemort to me. IMHO of course.

And besides that would disseminate one of the major things Harry has
to forgive Snape for IMO - contributing to his parents death.

But I do understand the attractiveness of this theory for those who
argue DD!M Snape, after all that makes another evil action that
Snape did ( in my book evil of course) just something else done
under Dumbledore command and again Snape seems to bear no blame,
since he acted under Dumbledore orders.

As I said, unfortunately, I am of much lower opinion of Dumbledore's
manipulativeness lately, so this is of course possible, but I hope
that Dumbledore is better than that and would not deliberately put
two people and their baby under Voldemort's radar, especially if
these two people have no choice in that matter.

JMO,

Alla, who hopes that the events in HH went exactly like Dumbledore
described.

ETA:

Just had a thought. If this is what happened and Dumbledore was 
concerned with putting Snape in, etc, but did not really want 
Potters and their child to die, I can see him offering to be their 
secret keeper out of the sense of guilt first and foremost. I can 
also see James learning about it and telling him something along the 
lines - you hypocritical bastard, you put us and our son in danger 
in the first place and now you are offering to be our secret keeper?

Go jump in the lake or something like that. That would be a perfect 
reason for Potters to refuse DD offer as far as I am concerned and I 
would have refused that too, but as I said, I am hoping that this 
scenario did not happen