The Statute of Secrecy

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 159119

> > a_svirn:
> However, the blood projection thing, or, say, that wonderful
> Voldemort-baiting plan in OOP was another matter entirely. Here
> Dumbledore again didn't share his plans and intentions with other
> phoenixes, and he didn't have the same excuse as with Snape.<snip>
> 
> Mike:
> What canon support do you have for this assertion? There is none 
> AKAIK and it appears that DD has very much shared his plans with 
the 
> Order. They are guarding the DoM entrances and I'm sure DD has 
told 
> them why they are doing this. BTW, all of the Order members sure 
> seem to know what's going on re the after dinner talk at 12 GP in 
Ch 
> six of OotP. They are trying awfully hard to fill Harry in without 
> saying too much.

Alla:

So hesitant to speak for other people, but I am sure a_svirn will 
correct me if I misunderstood her.

I thought she was not suggesting that other members of the Orders 
did not know about Prophecy involving Harry, I also think that this 
bit of information was known, but I am not quite sure actually 
whether it was thanks to Dumbledore.

I have a suspicion that as close friend of Potters Sirius knew that 
and shared. Now, this is nothing more than a speculation and it is 
entirely possible that Dumbledore chose to share this one, but for 
some reason it seems plausible to me.

But I thought that what a_svirn was saying is that Dumbledore did 
not share with anybody the reasons why Dumbledore was avoiding Harry 
all summer and why he decided that Harry needs to study Occlumency, 
so if you have canon support to the contrary, could you please refer 
me to it? 

 
> > a_svirn:
> Yet, it didn't seem to occur to anyone to question his dictatorial 
> style. (Except, probably, for Sirius – again). They all adopted an 
> attitude that can be summed up in Lupin's words "It isn't our 
> business to know, it's Dumbledore's business". And it's just, 
well, 
> weak. To say the least.
> 
> Mike:
> This is intellectually dishonest. That quote of Lupin's is in 
> reference to DD not divulging why he trusts Snape, which you agree 
> with in your preceding paragraph. And it was in HBP, it has 
nothing 
> to do with what's going on during OotP. 

Alla:

I thought a_svirn was summarising the general attitude of the 
members of OOP, not just Lupin,so why is it intelectually dishonest, 
I am wondering?


Mike:
> IMO you depiction of a dictatorial DD is unwarranted and 
unfounded. 
> Being the leader and director of the Order required him to take 
> certain decisions upon himself. But you have no support for your 
> position that he doesn't open up the floor for debate during 
> meetings. 

Alla:

Oh, I don't know. I had a rather strong feeling for example that 
Lupin was feeling pretty bitter that he was to go to werewolves. 
That Sirius would really really prefer to tell Harry what was going 
on ( Ooops, turns he was indeed right). That Sirius would really 
really prefer to fight instead of being locked in the House where he 
escaped from in his youth and which gave him an awfully big 
depression, if you ask me.

I had an impression that Mcgonagall really wanted to debate whether 
Harry should go to Dursleys or not.

That Weasleys would prefer Harry to spend more time with them, not 
with Dursleys.

The problem  IMO is that they are all good soldiers and if 
Dumbledore says that this is the best thing to do that means to then 
that this is the best thing to do for common good, so they 
**choose** the option Dumbledore wants them to choose, which is 
often indeed the necessary option, but I really do not get the 
impression that Dumbledore allows them much of the debate.

In case of Snape Dumbledore **reasons** for protecting him maybe 
warranted, but I absolutely think that the attitudes that members of 
OOP adopted indeed means to show us the general attitude they have 
about Dumbledore's word.

Also Lupin really really did not struck me as someone who had his 
say about whether he wants to go to werewolfes, but more like 
someone who convinced himself that he is indeed the only option and 
it just had to be so.

 

> > 
> > a_svirn:
> > Well, sure, it would have been even better – for the common good 
I 
> > mean – if somebody had strangled him in his cradle. <snip>
> 
> Mike:
> Curious that someone that is so disgusted with the wizards using 
> Memory Charms, would even suggest this. I guess that explains why 
> the wizards have chosen to hide in their own world, with these 
> attitudes in the *minds of Muggles*.


Alla:

Um, maybe I am being really really slow, but I thought that A_svirn 
was being very ironic here, starting with the whole ethics are what 
matters for the common good theme.

I was pretty sure that she was being ironic. 

JMO,

Alla