Teaching Styles / Sorting Hat

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> wynnleaf
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>> Further, as I pointed out, Snape's teaching style really isn't
Neville's
> problem, nor did Snape's unpleasant manner cause Neville's overall
> difficulties which follow him in many areas of Hogwarts, not just
potions.
> And neither his teaching style, nor his demeanor in class, nor
even his
> supposed unfairness stopped Harry and Ron from learning the
material.

Alla:

Erm, I think many areas in Hogwarts would be slight exaggeration,
IMO of course. In **all** classes where Neville is treated not
abusively he does well. Charmes and of course Herbology are examples
at hand. Oh, and No, I do not think Minerva treated him well either,
but at least she learned and changed, that is what I consider just
as AD does to be the mark of Good teacher.

And I am not sure I can equate Harry getting an E in Potions in OWL
with any teaching ability of Snape, because it is made quite clear
that Snape was not breathing down Harry neck at the exam, I think
that Harry learned **despite** Snape not thanks to him and if Snape
did not carry his vendetta against James to Harry, I wonder how much
**more** Harry would have learned. IMO of course.



> >AD:
> >Yes, I can see how much extra effort it would be for Snape to
refrain
> >from gratuitous insults outside of class, mustn't overwork our
> >delicate little flower.
>
> wynnleaf,
> What?? Not sure what you mean. Neville, of course, *is* a bit
delicate in
> that way -- in that he is easily made nervous and uncertain.
Harry, Ron,
> and many others aren't the least delicate.
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Alla:

I cannot speak for AD of course, but I think he referred to Snape as
delicate little flower and the one who could not even refrain his
tongue from insulting his students ***outside** of his class.

NO, I do not think it is acceptable what Snape does to Harry and
Neville in class in any way, shape or form, but under certain
circumstances sure teachers can use sarcasm as teaching means ( NO,
I do not think Snape does that, but I can see that sometimes
acceptable in RL), but outside of the class - belittling Neville in
front of Lupin's class, putting down Harry when he wants help about
Moody? I want to strangle Snape when I read those moments, frankly.







wynnleaf:
> Even Harry and Ron, who mess up lots of potions in class, copy off 
of 
> Hermione, and have Hermione check their homework, still made an E, 
which is 
> pretty good.  That means that two kids who get the brunt of a lot 
of Snape's 
> sarcasm and who he supposedly treats unfairly (I don't agree with 
this, but 
> just for argument's sake...) and who absolutely hate Snape and 
Potions 
> class, are still able to achieve an E on the OWL.  They clearly 
learned the 
> material, didn't they?

Alla:

I already said above that I do not think that Harry getting an E on 
the Potions OWL is a sign of Snape's teaching ability, but I guess 
you think that Harry and Ron are treated fairly in general at Snape 
lessons?

That truly makes me laugh. Do you think it is fair to attack the kid 
on his first lesson for not knowing something if most likely the 
homework was not even given out?

Do you think it is **fair** to punish Harry for **not** helping 
Neville on his first lesson, but then in PoA punish Hermione for 
helping him? Oh, we definitely have a very different definitions of 
what constitutes fairness of course. I am not even talking about 
whether Snape is being abusive, I am talking about basic fairness, 
which to me is a few degrees down on the Snape **jerkiness** scale.

Do you think it is fair to take a points from the child who was 
**reading a book outside** and take this book away?

I brought up multiple examples of Snape **fairness** before, don't 
want to repeat all of them here, but surely can.

But frankly I don't call such behaviour fair, quite the opposite.

Which is not to say of course that sometimes Snape catches Harry 
when he truly did something wrong, but the funny thing is he always 
guesses the reasons wrongly too.

Oh, and Ron of course does not get the full degree of Snape so 
called fairness ( I am sorry I cannot in good conscience to call 
such behaviour fair), after all Ron does not have green eyes and 
black messy hair, but the example of making Ron chop the roots for 
Malfoy also stands out to me as really really nor fair.

JMO of course,

Alla