Thoughts on the Fidelius

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No: HPFGUIDX 158377

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Jordan Abel" <random832@> 
wrote:
> >
> > > bboyminn:
> > >
> > > ... it does bring up one the biggest unresolved 
> > > mysteries in the series. Exactly what, in terms of 
> > > phrasing, was the 'Secret'.
> snip> It is clear, that 'headquarters' is what is being hidden,
> it is incidental that it's current location at 12
> Grimmauld Place is also hidden in the process. Twelve
> Grimmauld Place is a by-product of hiding the 
> 'headquarters'.

Orna:
As I understood it , the place was hidden by Black's family dark 
magic ,making the house unplottable, because they weren't too 
friendly people. IIRC it was mentioned in PoA that the fidelius 
charm operates so that you could place your face against the house - 
and not see the Poterr's there - so the house doesn't vanish just 
because their inhabitants are fideliusized.

>> bboyminn:
> 
> If the Secret is not broken and was placed on the Potters
> then the plot remains nearly unresolvable. If the Secret
> was on the house and remains unbroken then the plot is
> still nearly unresolvable and unexplainable. 
> 
> However, if for whatever reason, the Secret has /ceased 
> to be relevant/. Whether by breach of fidelity, or 
> dissolution of the secret, or by whatever means, then 
> things are much simpler and the existing plot as we know 
> it can easily be explain and any inconsistencies resolved.

Orna:
I find myself a bit dizzy on this issue. I would only like to point 
out, that the fidelius charm seems to be a bit of an unknown, when 
things start to get complicated. Dumbledore states in HBP that they 
have moved the order from GP12 because they are afraid Bella might 
arrive there any minute. So it seems that the Sirius' death, might 
affect the charm in a way. If it had been so that the charm is the 
strongest thing – DD needn't be afraid- Bella could have turned on 
GP12, and wouldn't see anything (in and out) of the Order there. So 
it seems the fidelius charm might be lifted when the house's owner 
is dead, or doesn't approve of the charm, or whatever. It seems that 
the charm works tightly when the basic facts are valid. Once 
critical persons die - the charm is no longer a certainty, and works 
like magic works - with some uncertainty about it. This way or the 
other way – DD himself isn't too sure, about how it works, so we are 
in good company.

By the way - how come Kreacher was able to reveal to Narcissa Sirius 
whereabouts? If the DEs told Kreacher to tell Harry his lie, once he 
had seen the  vision, it seems they knew where Sirius was, and that 
Harry was in contact with sirius, and kreacher. It seems a thing 
Sirius would have to forbid Kreacher from revealing. If the DEs know 
Kreacher is in contact with Harry, and with Sirius...well you have 
to be quite dumb not to guess that perhaps the Order's headquarters 
are in Sirius' old house...not to mention that Sirius himself is a 
target. Perhaps this has been discussed already.

Orna