Time-turning

[sistermagpie]

No: HPFGUIDX 167476

Dana:
> Sirius (in OotP) could have saved himself only if he saved himself 
> the first time but he doesn't, it is therefore irrelevant to compare 
> these events. JMHO

Magpie:
But I don't think it's irrelevent given the context I brought that up, 
which was in response to the opposite of what you're explaining here. 
Others are claiming that Harry was saved him his future self, period. 
You seem to be saying that time did indeed happen twice, and that the 
first time Harry #1 did save himself. Iow, he didn't really need his 
future self to save him, he only remembers being saved by his future 
self because the two times melded and he therefore forgot the version 
where it was not his future self that saved him.

But either way you're creating a solution where Harry #1 did something 
to save himself that did not involve Harry #2 so that he could be 
alive to become Harry #2. When you say Sirius "didn't save himself" 
you are saying that, just as we see, Sirius #1 didn't save himself. 
Only if Sirius #1 saved himself on his own could there have been a 
Sirius #2 to come back in time and save him a different way. You are 
choosing "Time happened twice but we only remember it once" and 
not "Time happened once." Harry may only remember Time happening once, 
but it happened twice.

-m