Requiescat in Pace: Unforgivables

[colebiancardi]

No: HPFGUIDX 174685

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> Jack-A-Roe:
> It's canon that he says Avada Kedavra. It's cannon that a green light 
> shot out and hit Dumbledore in the chest. 
> 

colebiancardi:

and in past discussions on this particular point, it is also canon
that there are other spells that shoot out green light as well.

> Jack-A-Roe
> There isn't anymore for us to prove on that point. 

Really?  Because you state so?  This particular issue, which was a
*hotbed* of discussions before DH's, is no longer an issue?  What
changed in DH's that changed this point of discussion?  Because quite
frankly, we never see Snape using an Unforgivable Curse in any of the
books, not even in DH's where the Trio and the rest of the Order just
bandy them about.   Snape is awful careful not to tread in the UC's it
seems to me.  



> Jack-A-Roe: 
> Your only argument is that they learned silent spells. Do we know it 
> is possible to say one spell and think another? Not that I can 
> remember anywhere in canon. 


colebiancardi: 

and it is a pretty darn good argument, IMHO.  Where did non-verbals
lead to in DH's?  No where.  Yet, HBP did make a big deal about them.
 Do I know if it is possible to say one spell and think another?  No.
 But I doubt it is out of the realm of magic - after all, Snape states
"...those who progress to using magic without shouting incantations
gain an element of surprise in their spell-casting.  Not all wizards
can do this, of course; it is a question of concentration and mind
power which some" -- his gaze lingered maliciously upon Harry once
more -- "lack"  HBP US ed p 179

Now, the scene in the tower - Snape has to kill DD - if he ever needed
an element of surprise, eg fool the DE's, this is his opportunity.  By
faking an AK with a non-verbal spell underneath it all.  Snape
certainly has the concentration and mind power to do it. 

But again, it is speculation on my part.  However, I didn't know we
couldn't speculate anymore now that DH is out.  My bad....wait, never
mind.  I can still speculate and still whip out canon that is
questionable, imo.  Snape's AK, as far as I am concerned, is still
questionable because it never had a resolution in DH's.

 

> Jack-A-Roe
> As Alla said, it is up to you to prove your point using canon. You 
> could also say that there was another DE under an invisibility cloak 
> who cast the spell and not Snape. But we have no proof of that either.

colebiancardi:
since invisiblity cloaks are rare, highly doubtful.  But you can go
ahead with that theory if you wish.

All I know is that many members before the release of DH were debating
this possiblity.  I didn't know we couldn't still talk about previous
books. 

> Jack-A-Roe
> The spell is said the green light hits Dumbledore and he dies.
> 
colebiancardi:

again, other spells have green lights.  And yes, he dies - but he has
been dying all year long.  Snape's potion helped prolong his life and
he was near the year that Snape told him he had.