Elder Wand mastery (was Re: need help for all of my confuse!)

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 175842

---  elfundeb <elfundeb at ...> wrote:
...
> 
> Debbie:
>  I think the rules can be made to work with the facts
> we're given:
> 
> 1. Gregorovitch was the legitimate master of the wand.
> 2. Grindelwald became the master of the wand by 
> picking up the wand in Gregorovitch's workroom, and 
> then executing a Stunning Spell on Gregorovitch when 
> he burst into the workroom; I believe that Grindelwald
> pocketed the elder wand, and then deliberately waited
> for Gregorovitch in the window in order to defeat him
> properly ....
> 3. Dumbledore became master by defeating Grindelwald
> in a duel. If, as the tale says, the elder wand must
> always win duels for its owner, then Grindelwald must
> not have been using the elder wand when he was 
> defeated. ...
> 4. Draco took the wand from Dumbledore by force.  
> Dumbledore did not permit Draco to take it (otherwise
> Draco could not be said to have captured it and would
> not be recognized as master).  However, Draco 
> executed the spell while Dumbledore was busy 
> immobilising Harry.  Draco took advantage of this
> opportunity, making the wand rightfully his.
> 
> And the rest is history.
> 

bboyminn:

I agree this is the most fair and reasonable 
interpretation of the information we have. But I
will take one small exception to item number 3.

I don't think the Elder Wand MUST ALWAYS win duels.
I really don't think it is undefeatable under any
circumstance. I think if you have the wand and are its
Master, then you can cast extremely powerful spells that
are near impossible to block, and you can cast Shield 
Charms that are near impossible to break through. But 
having superior weapons does not always guarantee 
victory, as Harry himself has proven countless times. 

But it sure does give you a powerful advantage in a 
fight. I think the undefeatable, always wins, aspect is
part of the fairytale regarding the wand, and given the
immense power that can be wielded by its master, it
seems a likely legend to spring forth from rumors of
Elder Wand duels. 

It creates a Wand and Master that are extremely difficult
to defeat, but they are not unbeatable. That simply 
takes too much of a stretch of the imagination to make
fit into the story. 

So, the Wand and Master are figuratively unbeatable,
but not literally so.

Other than that, I think you are presenting a pretty
fair and reasonable interpretation of events.

Steve/bboyminn