Seen or Unseen - Time turning

[Mike]

No: HPFGUIDX 176188

> > > ***Katie:
> > <snip>
> > > So, basically, a plot device, but a well-supported one, 
> > > seeing as it was very clear that H/H from the future 
> > > "cannot be seen!!", according to Dumbledore. 

Mike:
Watch your step here Dale, big plot hole ahead. Because as soon as 
Dumbledore said that to Hermione she should have said, 'What are you 
talking about, what law? I've been using this thing all year to get 
to my classes, of course I've been seen while I was time-turned.' Ron 
even confirms that; Hermione, according to Ernie McMillan, hasn't 
missed a Muggle Studies class and it was the same time and day of the 
week that Ron and Harry had a different class with Hermione. 

So how the heck can Dumbledore tell Hermione that she knows the rule, 
when that rule *has* to be clearly contridictory to the reason for 
her getting the time turner in the first place.


> ***Katie again:
> <snip>
> So, even though Harry DID see himself, he:
> 1 - Didn't *know* it was himself.
> 2 - Didn't go back with the *intention* of contacting anyone 
> directly or being seen, which was the original question in this 
> thread - why didn't they just tell Lupin to take his potion? They 
> couldn't, because they weren't *supposed* to be seen. The fact 
> that Harry was seen was not intended.

Mike:
I definitely agree with Katie, both on plot device and what was set 
up as *could not do* rule/law/standard of time travel. You can't 
change the past too much, and in JKR's time travel you don't change 
the past at all. It all happened that way the first time through, you 
just didn't know it.

But Dale's question begs another. How come Lupin didn't see TTed 
Harry and Hermione on the Marauder's Map? He said he was watching 
the Trio and even guessed they were under James' cloak. So when TTed 
and non-TTed almost ran into each other in the entrance hall, why 
doesn't Lupin see two Harry and two Hermione dots?. 

Then, TTed H&H sat outside of Hagrid's hut close enough to hear most 
of what went on inside, and when the Trio were leaving Hagrid's, H&H 
were close enough to hear all of what was said. And the kids were 
keeping their voices down because Fudge and Co. were at Hagrid's 
front door. They must have been close enough for Lupin to see their 
dots on the Map, especially as there would not have been any other 
dots around to muddle up the situation. 

Ah well, maybe Lupin was in on the plan from the beginning. JKR must 
have told him to keep his mouth shut on this one and she'll allow the 
DADA curse to just get him fired, unlike what happened to his two 
immediate predecessors. <eg>

Mike