DD and Horcruxes/ Scrimgeour

[pippin_999]

No: HPFGUIDX 179633


> > 
> > Pippin:
> > Er, haven't you often defended Hermione's jinx by saying  you 
> > wished Dumbledore had used something like it  to 
> > catch Pettigrew? That doesn't sound like trust to me. 
> 
> Alla:
> 
> Scratching her head. Would be nice if you quoted the exact sentence.
> I seem to vaguely remember saying that Hermione's ginx may have 
> saved the younger generation from the new Pettigrew in the mix.

Pippin:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/160487
> > > Alla,
> > >
> > > who wishes that Marauders had in their mist somebody as ruthless
as Hermione to mark traytor before he did any serious damage.

Pippin:
I realize now you were hoping that Pettigrew had been a traitor in
his school days and he could have been caught then. But since
he wasn't, do you still agree with this?

Alla:
 He would show : a. that he trusts people BUT b. that 
> he also takes extra precautions in case there is a traitor in the mi

Pippin:

But that's what Harry didn't want to do in DH. He didn't want
the order members to start suspecting each other,  looking
over their shoulders, and worrying that they'll be
the suspect, as Harry often was.

Surely you can see that announcing anti-traitor measures is going to 
foster suspicions that there is a traitor to be caught? A real morale-raiser 
that. Sirius and Lupin did as much damage by suspecting each other as
Pettigrew ever did. 

And it's even worse if you act like only *some* people
are under suspicion. Yuck.

There is just no canon that anyone could have found the horcruxes
faster than Harry did. If  Harry had told the Order his theory that
Tom Riddle had located the lost diadem years before he came to
power, secretly brought it back to Hogwarts and hidden it in the RoR,
I'm sure they would have done their best to talk him out of it. 

I'm sure they'd have talked him out of raiding the Ministry of Magic,
too.  And as for a Gringotts vault, we have an Order member's
opinion on that: yer'd have ter be mad ter try it, or words to that
effect.

You've got to admit it's far-fetched. 


> 
> Pippin:
>   I wouldn't trust anyone not to betray 
> > the Order under any circumstances. Everyone has a breaking point 
> > and Voldemort is very good at figuring out what they are. 
> > 
> > It is dangerous to know Voldemort's secrets. He would have killed
> > anyone he suspected of knowing about the horcruxes, and short
> > of blanketing the wizarding world with the information there would
> > have been no way to stop him from trying to do so. 
> 
> Alla:
> 
> It is dangerous to fight the war. I think Order members signed up 
> for it - including sharing information from their leader, even if 
> this is dangerous, IMO.
> 

Pippin:
Exactly they signed up for danger. They signed up to fight in a secret
organization because they recognized a need to keep Voldemort
from finding out things that will help him to win the war. 

They did not sign up to be told what those things are. They
know Voldemort may try to kill them, but why give Voldemort 
additional reasons to want to do it? "There are dangers involved
of which you have no idea, any of you." --Lupin, OOP.

Pippin